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2021-2022 NHL Offseason Discussion Thread #9 - The Demise (Revival?) of Calgary

Jul. 25, 2022 at 1:07 p.m.
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We got some Weegar-Kerfoot trades going down in the ACGM


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Jul. 25, 2022 at 1:09 p.m.
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We got some Weegar-Kerfoot trades going down in the ACGM


Leafs fans. Never. Change

Their justification is that Kerfoot is an elite top 6 forward that can penalty kill on a cheap cheap contract. Ignore the part where he’s a rental
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Jul. 25, 2022 at 1:09 p.m.
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So what I have learned today

- Thomas Chabot is basically another Karlsson
- Ottawa defense SUCKS even worse than I initially thought

Also question to people who have access to JFresh model: can you put here the top 10 guys that have the highest EV DEF % ?
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Jul. 25, 2022 at 1:11 p.m.
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Leafs fans. Never. Change

Their justification is that Kerfoot is an elite top 6 forward that can penalty kill on a cheap cheap contract. Ignore the part where he’s a rental


So is Weegar in this instance.
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Jul. 25, 2022 at 1:11 p.m.
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Quoting: mondo
So is Weegar in this instance.


And Weegar is a scrub
Jul. 25, 2022 at 1:15 p.m.
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Leafs fans. Never. Change

Their justification is that Kerfoot is an elite top 6 forward that can penalty kill on a cheap cheap contract. Ignore the part where he’s a rental


I mean so is weegar lul both got 1 year left. Now im not saying this is a fair trade but if Weegar falls without Ekblad and struggles in Calgary and Kerfoot was performing the same as he did last year (in Toronto) then one could make a case for it.

But if im moving Kerfoot I dont want another Dman I want a cheaper wing as our Dcore is pretty much set once Sandin extends. Someone like Raddysh or Appleton would be nice
Jul. 25, 2022 at 1:18 p.m.
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Quoting: justaBoss
Perhaps so, yet Jfresh model does suggest Chabot is better of the two offensively, and pretty much equal defensively. This one is from February which is the most recent one I could find. Do tell me if this has changed.





I'm thinking that Quinn's sample at the time suffers a lot from his play under Travis Green.
Could easily envision an updated card looking a lot better for him with games playing under bbq Bruce
Jul. 25, 2022 at 1:19 p.m.
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You have him above many guys who are much better than him. He is a poor man’s Quinn Hughes. Hughes is better than Chabot at literally every aspect of the game playing with not so great d men

I wouldn’t call Chabot a poor man’s Hughes lol. He’s arguably the best transition defender in the game and his offense by that model is in the top percentile in each of the last 3 years (Hughes was only around that high in 19-20). His defense also improved drastically this year, he reached the 60th percentile and getting a partner he can rely on, plus cutting his minutes down to the 22-24 range, would probably help that improve more. Zaitsev was such a black hole on defense (or making anything positive happen ever) that he really held Chabot back, so hopefully now with Zub or a new acquisition, he can reach his true peak. Chabot just looks like the same average as Hughes over the last three years because Hughes has stayed steady around 20% and Chabot was at like 0% prior to this season lol. So basically he’s been consistently better offensively, and has now added above average defense to his game (which Hughes hasn’t yet). I’d take Chabot 100%.
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Jul. 25, 2022 at 1:20 p.m.
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Leafs fans. Never. Change


My favorite fanbase.
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Jul. 25, 2022 at 1:30 p.m.
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We got some Weegar-Kerfoot trades going down in the ACGM


Classic Leaf fans
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Jul. 25, 2022 at 1:39 p.m.
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Quoting: justaBoss
So what I have learned today

- Thomas Chabot is basically another Karlsson
- Ottawa defense SUCKS even worse than I initially thought

Also question to people who have access to JFresh model: can you put here the top 10 guys that have the highest EV DEF % ?


Also, I hate models. For Chabot to look good statistically defensively Ottawa needs to be a good team OR he needs to be absolutely ELITE. There is one like 2 players on Ottawa that are statistically good defenders, Zub who must be elite defensively and Joseph who was on Tampa the whole year who is a great team.
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Jul. 25, 2022 at 2:05 p.m.
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Huehuehuehuehuehue

Admittedly I think both guys stick.
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Jul. 25, 2022 at 2:13 p.m.
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Huehuehuehuehuehue

Admittedly I think both guys stick.


I think only one of them does. Huberdeau.

Weegar will have many interested teams behind him if he becomes UFA, he's going to laugh his way to the bank.
Jul. 25, 2022 at 2:49 p.m.
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Also, I hate models. For Chabot to look good statistically defensively Ottawa needs to be a good team OR he needs to be absolutely ELITE. There is one like 2 players on Ottawa that are statistically good defenders, Zub who must be elite defensively and Joseph who was on Tampa the whole year who is a great team.

I mean Chabot was above average defensively this year. Playing with Zub definitely helped, because Zaitsev is an absolute anchor, he’s useless at everything. Zub is your typical reliable complimentary shutdown top 4 guy, he’s excellent defensively and not great offensively (classic 2RD stuff, like Cernak, Tanev, Carlo, Marino, etc.). But yeah Chabot not having to do everything offensively and defensively all the time will definitely help him improve even on this year’s numbers imo.
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Jul. 25, 2022 at 2:50 p.m.
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Quoting: BeterChiarelli




Huehuehuehuehuehue

Admittedly I think both guys stick.


Same as man if you listen to Huberdeau he sounds royally pissed with Zito and I dont blame him

And Weegar under Sutter probs gonna take his game to the next next level even without Ekblad
Jul. 25, 2022 at 2:58 p.m.
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Same as man if you listen to Huberdeau he sounds royally pissed with Zito and I dont blame him

And Weegar under Sutter probs gonna take his game to the next next level even without Ekblad

Listening to the most recent PDOcast and apparently Drance (who used to work in Florida) says Huberdeau is the type of guy who is super competitive and wants to be the star, so he thinks he’ll fit nicely into a Canadian market and thrive under the pressure which is nice. And yeah I think if you could create Sutter’s perfect player you would get Weegar lol
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Jul. 25, 2022 at 3:00 p.m.
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Jul. 25, 2022 at 3:10 p.m.
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JFresh can joke all he wants, not the team's fault if the players express their desire to come play home when they're under contract with another team (sorry PLD). They're building one of the greatest front offices ever seen and they're finally acting like a billion-dollar organization, it sure helps rebuilding their reputation league-wide.
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Jul. 25, 2022 at 3:21 p.m.
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JFresh can joke all he wants, not the team's fault if the players express their desire to come play home when they're under contract with another team (sorry PLD). They're building one of the greatest front offices ever seen and they're finally acting like a billion-dollar organization, it sure helps rebuilding their reputation league-wide.


Quoting: SevenLeg
JFresh can joke all he wants, not the team's fault if the players express their desire to come play home when they're under contract with another team (sorry PLD). They're building one of the greatest front offices ever seen and they're finally acting like a billion-dollar organization, it sure helps rebuilding their reputation league-wide.


I think it’s more because a lot of hockey babies are born in Quebec
Jul. 25, 2022 at 3:22 p.m.
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JFresh can joke all he wants, not the team's fault if the players express their desire to come play home when they're under contract with another team (sorry PLD). They're building one of the greatest front offices ever seen and they're finally acting like a billion-dollar organization, it sure helps rebuilding their reputation league-wide.

PLD is the only one of the four that expressed interest in going to play for Montreal, and he’s the one that Habs fans don’t want. The rest is just delusional. One of the greatest front offices ever seen seems like a stretch. Getting rid of the crew that drafted a convicted criminal who asked not to be drafted is below bare minimum.
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Jul. 25, 2022 at 3:26 p.m.
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Anyone else smell Bull****

As come on if you never wanted out

1. Why did you only sign 1 year
2. Why were you in MTL at the draft when rumors were MTL was gonna trade for Dach then use him to get you
3. Your agent said in an interview you want to play in MTL

In my mind he requested a trade but he wanted it to be more private which was where the draft came as it would be a surprise 3 team trade where he goes to MTL, WPG gets Dach and Chicago gets picks but nope didnt happen and then his agent spilled the beans. Gonna be very uncomfortable in WPG especially in that locker room
Jul. 25, 2022 at 3:35 p.m.
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Puljujarivi will likely get traded soon, wonder where hell end up
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Jul. 25, 2022 at 3:44 p.m.
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Puljujarivi will likely get traded soon, wonder where hell end up


Not the isles
Jul. 25, 2022 at 3:45 p.m.
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Not the isles


He would be a great fit with the isles, he’s exactly what they need
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Jul. 25, 2022 at 3:48 p.m.
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He would be a great fit with the isles, he’s exactly what they need


Lou is currently asleep and will be until the first week of September like last year
 
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