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2022-23 NHL Season Discussion Thread #14: Loser Point Szn

Apr. 12, 2023 at 12:20 a.m.
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Ekholm game tying game, Bouchard OT winner. Oilers have 8 straight wins
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Apr. 12, 2023 at 12:22 a.m.
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Bouchard has a very nice shot, And his confidence is sky high right now, earlier in the season he would have never taking that shot he would have passed it
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Apr. 12, 2023 at 2:20 a.m.
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Canucks defense is bad enough with 5 players on the ice. Can't expect much when there are only 4 players. Also PK is probably the hardest to judge a player individually because it is a total team effort. Might help to have actual good penalty killers for once


SJS are an incredible anomaly when it comes to PK. They're 6th in PK% despite allowing the 3rd most GA/GP. Amazing. Maybe VAN can hire the Sharks PK coach, or at least study their videos.
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Apr. 12, 2023 at 2:23 a.m.
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Ekholm game tying game, Bouchard OT winner. Oilers have 8 straight wins


Oilers are the favorite to emerge from the West, imo. They're peaking at the perfect time. But, will their goaltending hold up?
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Apr. 12, 2023 at 7:53 a.m.
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Habs fans praying for two lottery tickets over the course of the season.
Seething right now.

Good for the Panthers and Zito on making it in to the playoffs after looking so far out of it only two weeks ago.

Also, interesting to see the Oilers being given the highest Stanley Cup probability.
I guess the east being such a gauntlet has quite an impact on the Bruins chances of winning it, according to MoneyPuck anyway.
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Apr. 12, 2023 at 11:47 a.m.
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He's 5th in points and tied for 12th in Goals. Probably will finish top 5 in Hart voting this year. His numbers are great but they're not MVP caliber this year or in recent years.


Hart trophy : the player adjudged to be the most valuable to his team. There is a strong argument that Tkachuk is more valuable to the panthers than any other player is to their team.

108 points in 78 games, leading the league in 5v5 production. The panthers play like a superteam when Tkachuk is on the ice , and they are below average when he’s off the ice. Can’t say the same about many other Hart Candidates.
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Apr. 12, 2023 at 12:22 p.m.
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Hart trophy : the player adjudged to be the most valuable to his team. There is a strong argument that Tkachuk is more valuable to the panthers than any other player is to their team.

108 points in 78 games, leading the league in 5v5 production. The panthers play like a superteam when Tkachuk is on the ice , and they are below average when he’s off the ice. Can’t say the same about many other Hart Candidates.


The Hart is always interesting because for example if you look at McDavid, the argument could be made that Edmonton is still a great team without him on the roster. On the flip side you could say that maybe none of Edmonton's other players would be having as good of seasons without McDavid.

McDavid, Tkachuk, MacKinnon/Rantanen are the only real candidates IMO. I think a nomination or an argument could be made for Jack Hughes and Jason Robertson

I also think it's worth mentioning this --> Although they won't get nominated, there are a few players that have been instrumental to a teams success or "exaggerated success" in the case of Nashville or New York. Whether it's because of key injuries or flat out poor play from the rest of the team, I think Chandler Stephenson, Brock Nelson/Ilya Sorokin and Juuse Saros deserve some recognition for their outstanding play this season.
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Apr. 12, 2023 at 12:41 p.m.
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The Hart is always interesting because for example if you look at McDavid, the argument could be made that Edmonton is still a great team without him on the roster. On the flip side you could say that maybe none of Edmonton's other players would be having as good of seasons without McDavid.

McDavid, Tkachuk, MacKinnon/Rantanen are the only real candidates IMO. I think a nomination or an argument could be made for Jack Hughes and Jason Robertson

I also think it's worth mentioning this --> Although they won't get nominated, there are a few players that have been instrumental to a teams success or "exaggerated success" in the case of Nashville or New York. Whether it's because of key injuries or flat out poor play from the rest of the team, I think Chandler Stephenson, Brock Nelson/Ilya Sorokin and Juuse Saros deserve some recognition for their outstanding play this season.


agree on the mcdavid point - there's definitely an argument for tkachuk to win it, but ultimately it should go to mcdavid,

1. Mcdavid
2. Tkachuk








3. McKinnon



4,. Robertson
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Apr. 12, 2023 at 12:55 p.m.
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Mine was:

Makar
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Josi
Q. Hughes
Pietrangelo (expected a bounce back year)


I had mine along the same lines. Expected Makar to net somewhere between 100-110 points.
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Apr. 12, 2023 at 1:49 p.m.
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Cates for Calder and Selke
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Apr. 12, 2023 at 2:52 p.m.
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Hart trophy : the player adjudged to be the most valuable to his team. There is a strong argument that Tkachuk is more valuable to the panthers than any other player is to their team.

108 points in 78 games, leading the league in 5v5 production. The panthers play like a superteam when Tkachuk is on the ice , and they are below average when he’s off the ice. Can’t say the same about many other Hart Candidates.


Pasta's 60G along w/ Boston's record setting season clearly place him #2. There's a group of 3-4 others that can go 3-6. Tkachuk is in that group, but there's gonna be a massive gap between #2 and #3 when the votes are tabulated, imo. Don't get too hung up on the literal definition of the Hart Trophy. For every Taylor Hall in 2018 there's many Draisaitl's in 2020, Matthews last season, etc...
Apr. 12, 2023 at 2:54 p.m.
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The Hart is always interesting because for example if you look at McDavid, the argument could be made that Edmonton is still a great team without him on the roster. On the flip side you could say that maybe none of Edmonton's other players would be having as good of seasons without McDavid.

McDavid, Tkachuk, MacKinnon/Rantanen are the only real candidates IMO. I think a nomination or an argument could be made for Jack Hughes and Jason Robertson

I also think it's worth mentioning this --> Although they won't get nominated, there are a few players that have been instrumental to a teams success or "exaggerated success" in the case of Nashville or New York. Whether it's because of key injuries or flat out poor play from the rest of the team, I think Chandler Stephenson, Brock Nelson/Ilya Sorokin and Juuse Saros deserve some recognition for their outstanding play this season.


Hughes and JR peaked too soon, imo. Both were in the top 3 at one point or another.
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Apr. 12, 2023 at 3:34 p.m.
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Cates for Calder and Selke


I like McTavish as the Calder runner-up.
Apr. 12, 2023 at 3:48 p.m.
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MVP: Mitch Marner
Breakout Player: Ilya Samsonov
Most Improved: Calle Jarnkrok
Most Disappointing: Morgan Rielly
Player to watch out for in 2023-24: Joseph Woll
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Apr. 12, 2023 at 3:58 p.m.
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MVP: Mitch Marner
Breakout Player: Ilya Samsonov
Most Improved: Calle Jarnkrok
Most Disappointing: Morgan Rielly
Player to watch out for in 2023-24: Joseph Woll


MVP: Carter Hart
Breakout Player: Noah Cates, Owen Tippett, Morgan Frost
Most Improved: Rasmus Ristolainen
Most Disappointing: Travis Sanheim
Player to watch out for in 2023-24: Joel Farabee
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Apr. 12, 2023 at 4:17 p.m.
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MVP- Nikita Kucherov
Breakout Player- Brandon Hagel, Nick Perbix
Most Improved Player- Mikhail Sergachev, Brandon Hagel
Most Disappointing Player- Victor Hedman (depends on who you ask) or Nick Paul
Player to watch for in 2023-2024- Michael Eyssimont (if resigned)
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Apr. 12, 2023 at 4:21 p.m.
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MVP: Mitch Marner
Breakout Player: Ilya Samsonov
Most Improved: Calle Jarnkrok
Most Disappointing: Morgan Rielly
Player to watch out for in 2023-24: Joseph Woll


MVP: Nick Suzuki
Breakout Player: Kirby Dach
Most Improved Player: Johnathan Kovacevic
Most Disappointing Player: Joel Edmundson
Player to watch for in 2023-24: Cole Caufield
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Apr. 12, 2023 at 4:25 p.m.
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I feel like most of the pens fans on here are utterly in denial. Our team is done for and I think everyone who isn’t sticking their heads in the sand knows it.
Apr. 12, 2023 at 4:32 p.m.
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MVP: Nick Suzuki
Breakout Player: Kirby Dach
Most Improved Player: Johnathan Kovacevic
Most Disappointing Player: Joel Edmundson
Player to watch for in 2023-24: Cole Caufield


MVP: Crosby (by far)
Breakout player: POJ (nothing to really choose from)
Most improved: Jason Zucker
Most disappointing: Bryan Rust
Player to watch for: Alexander Nylander (ya it’s that bad)
Apr. 12, 2023 at 5:41 p.m.
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I'll throw in a few Honourable Mentions as well.

MVP: Martin Necas (HM: Aho, Svech, Burns)
Breakout Player: Jesperi Kotkaniemi (HM: Chatfield, Skjei, Noesen)
Most Improved: Jalen Chatfield (HM: Kotkaniemi)
Most Disappointing: Teuvo Teravainen (Dishonourable Mention: Freddie)
Player to Watch: Pyotr Kochetkov (HM: Jarvis, Kotkaniemi, Necas)
Apr. 12, 2023 at 5:51 p.m.
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Quoting: Steven_Stamkos
MVP- Nikita Kucherov
Breakout Player- Brandon Hagel, Nick Perbix
Most Improved Player- Mikhail Sergachev, Brandon Hagel
Most Disappointing Player- Victor Hedman (depends on who you ask) or Nick Paul
Player to watch for in 2023-2024- Michael Eyssimont (if resigned)


MVP: Seth Jones (if we’re going based on what we had at the end of the season)
Breakout player: Taylor Raddysh
Most Improved: Taylor Raddysh (I mean he scored 20)
Most disappointing: Johnathan Toews
Player to watch in 2024: Lukas Reichel
Apr. 12, 2023 at 6:01 p.m.
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Devils

MVP: Hughes, Hischier
Breakout Player: Schmid
Most Improved: Dougie, Tatar
Most Disappointing: Wood
Player to watch out for in 2023-24: Mercer
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Apr. 12, 2023 at 6:09 p.m.
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MVP: Mitch Marner
Breakout Player: Ilya Samsonov
Most Improved: Calle Jarnkrok
Most Disappointing: Morgan Rielly
Player to watch out for in 2023-24: Joseph Woll


No no wrong

For TML its

MVP: Luke Schenn
Breakout Player: Luke Schenn
Most Improved: Luke Schenn
Most Disappointing: Not Luke Schenn
Player to watch out for in 2023-24: Luke Schenn
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Apr. 12, 2023 at 6:27 p.m.
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MVP: Mitch Marner
Breakout Player: Ilya Samsonov
Most Improved: Calle Jarnkrok
Most Disappointing: Morgan Rielly
Player to watch out for in 2023-24: Joseph Woll


MVP: Pettersson
Breakout player: Kuzmenko
Most improved: Hughes
Most disappointing: Boeser
Players to watch out for in 2023/2024: Hirose
Apr. 12, 2023 at 7:03 p.m.
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In 278 min of ice time, the Ekholm-Bouchard pairing has a 62% expected goals % and actual goals are 26-8 in favor of edmomton. Might be the best top pair in the league right now. The Oilers have a Stanley cup level defense.

Elite minute munching two way D (Ekholm)

Elite offensive defenseman and PP QB (Bouchard)

Top pair defenseman to anchor the 2nd pair (Nurse)
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