Thats WAY too much for EP40, he's a fine player, but you want a future top pairing and a 70 point player? GET LOST LMAO

Petey is a 'Fine player' not a 100 point superstar at 24 lmao Tell me how Necas is better than EP40, again?

What do you mean about the "rules"? Edit: I just got it, didn't see the 1rst edition...

Please tell me where I said he is lmao

Im sure you have a graph somewhere from evolving hockey about some random cherry picked stats that show Necas plays better on the pk during a full moon

You’re not going to get more for Hronek than you paid for him. Especially with the repeat upper body/shoulder issues and another year towards UFA

No, EP's great. I think he's overrated as HELL, but he's very good. The only place where Necas is probably better is in just straight up speed.

EP is great... the only concern I have is a severe drop-off in offensive production in a very defensively focused system

I mean, there is always risk everywhere. You definitely take the 100 point superstar if you can keep your core cause EP40 easily replaces everything Necas does.
Nikishin is a very very good prospect but he has a contract til 2025 in the KHL and is not a guarantee.
If you even have a hint of shopping in your window like the Canes seem to be doing as involved they are in every trade discussion whether its EK65 or PLD.

Morrow, Necas, and another prospect is fine but Nikishin is out

Ohh yah for sure... I think this is a pretty reasonable trade and EP40 would be a great 1 or 2C and the Cane would have one of the best if not the best 1+2 punch at center in the league.

Its simple really when you have a top10 player in the NHL. You get what you want or you sit on him because losing him for nothing and drafting in the lottery is better than accepting 2nd rate pieces. Canes have no shot of getting him w/o a prospect like Nikishin.

I think it’s relatively reasonable of a trade. Canes add a Top 5 C in my opinion and give up 2 quality prospects, a late 1st and a Top 6 winger. Maybe remove Nikishin for a different prospect (not a bum one just maybe a F instead of 2 D) and think it’s close really. Pettersson is realllly good not often you can get a young C like him

Jesus christ I wish I could like this 40000 times

Nikishin is in the K until 2025 and his stats are a bit inflated because he's on one of the most overloaded teams in that league. Necas hit 70 points once and is a playoff myth.

If anything, Vancouver tells you to get lost.

Yeah that’s way too much for demko

Hmmmm, Demko trade is interesting.

2.5 mil is so much surplus value with the cap, but the team has kinda put themselves in a position to perfectly transition from Provorov to Meteychuk in 2 years, so losing him might be rough. Not that he's a sure thing or anything, but a 12th pick last year than just had another great season and is only 19.

Obviously gonna give up a big price to get out of Elvis + Demko with 3 years of retention, but I'm curious if Meteychuk is someone they'd really want to move.

Also gotta consider the team's window. If you're giving up a pretty damn good prospect plus a 1st for 3 years of a goalie, you gotta make it worth. Best case scenario, a window truly wouldn't open until next season amd guys like Fantilli, Jiricek, KJ, ect are probably 2 years away from being "legit" difference makers, but JG and Laine are also in their primes rn, Werenski still young but will probably be on the later end of his prime once they're seriously ready.

It's really interesting cause this would be taking a big dive into the next few years, before some of these high level prospects may be able to have big contributions.

Nikishin isn’t being moved. Period. He has way too much potential to be moved, unless he refuses to sign with the Canes. I don’t think EP40 hits the century mark again this season, particularly with Kuzmenko’s shooting percentage almost certainly falling off a cliff. Morrow clearly isn’t being offered around unless it’s for a massive roster upgrade, so he would certainly have to be included in this proposal.

How about as a base, the Canes 2024 and 2025 first rounders, Morrow, Necas, and Drury for EP40, Kuzmenko (half retained), and a 3rd? Obviously would need to be workshopped a bit, but this should be a more than reasonable conversation starter.

That’s a fat no to Ohgren+1st+1st for JT ****ing Miller. Are you serious with that proposal? Please tell me you’re just joking.

Nikishin's underlying were also dominant before his trade to SKA, he's the most dominant Russian D man in KHL history. He's a top what 10-15 prospect in the NHL? Canes absolutely tell you to get lost. If Petey won't re-sign, a package of futures not including Nikishin will be offered, but the entire point of signing one of Nikishins idols as a Russian defenseman is to make sure he comes over lmao.

Nikishin's metrics were beyond average until he went to one of the KHL's most stacked teams.

I'm gonna go out on a limb and assume this is with an extension lmfao. And you're grasping at straws. No Nikishin/Morrow? No Petey.
You also might want to read the room, as you're the only one ranting and raving about Petey being "overrated".

Put it this way. If Petey was on the Canes, and this was being offered by VAN, would you accept it?
Better yet, would you accept a package like this for Aho?

No, you wouldn't. You'd be in the thread telling everybody Petey/Aho is the next Gretzky.

If Petey just scored 100pts with incredible defensive metrics on the Carolina then Caniac would be scolding anyone who even mentioned his name in a mock trade. He would likely flame this kind of return if someone made it for Aho, but because Petey doesn't wear a red and black jersey the conversation is marginally different. I hate this site sometimes

Nope. First of all, I think Aho and Petterssen are around the same quality. Using one as a comparable for the other is more than fair.

I also didn't say Morrow was off the table. I'm not stupid, but to suggest a 22 year old kid that could quite comfortably be a top 4 D man in the NHL already who excels offensively and defensively while being a noted physical defenseman AND has a sensational skating ability should not be on the table.

Put it this way, if Petey was to go to New Jersey, would the Devils be including Luke Hughes? No they obviously wouldn't. Nemec maybe, but not a top 10 prospect in hockey. They're not that far apart (Nikishin and L Hughes) in terms of skill or upside. And this isn't taking shots at Nemec or Hughes or Petey, but he's not worth this.

I think you're just massively overrating Nikishin.

The problem is a lot of fanatics on this site don't understand how trading and compromise works. Posting analytics is nice for colour but all it really says is they dont know how functionality works and they rather have AI think for them.
Leverage is maybe the most overused term on the site. There is rarely if EVER teams held hostage unless the team needs to cut salary and that comes ONLY from the owner.

A GM is always better off NOT even entertaining offers that don't blow the doors off for an elite player because NOT only will his reputation suffer and he'll forever be a meme GM like Chiarelli with the 1 for 1 gifs but the worst thing you can do is be average. Just let the guy walk if you dont get your price, fine, start over in the lottery or take the cap space and go fishing in the trade/ufa market much like the Isles did after Tavares left.

Probably half the user base doesnt understand the difference between trade value and opportunity cost. The Canes can absolutely afford to 'overpay' because their core window will be closing in a few years. Trading away young pieces isnt ideal but the whole league is about windows in the cap era. There is no honour in trying to protect assets that will only bear fruit in not only another GM's time but a window lost.