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2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #4: Deadline is Approaching

Feb. 24 at 5:06 p.m.
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Quoting: ricochetii
Fiala trade. He hadn't signed yet so it was for his rights.


Quoting: NHLfan10506
Fiala trade…he was a top player in NCAA for couple years. First team All American, two time defensive player of year in big ten, big part of national teams.


Quoting: McGruff
Faber was an LA draftee - then poof - he's in MINNY?
Did not see any trade info or FA mentioned in the player summary; how'd LA lose him?


It's pretty crazy to think about LAK shedding young D over the last few years:

Brock Faber to Minny due to pipeline logjam at RHD affecting their ability to get him to sign.
Sean Durzi to Arizona for a 2nd
Sean Walker to Philly as part of the Cal Petersen cap dump
Tobias Bjornfot lost to VGK on waivers

They still have issues getting playing time for Brandt Clarke, Jordan Spence, and Jacob Moverare in the NHL.
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Feb. 24 at 5:19 p.m.
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Quoting: CantStopWontStop
Ontop of this; 6’8’’ is kinda problematic. Deslauriers Is 7 inches shorter. That’s a whole lot when it comes to fist fighting. Is unfortunate, but Rempe is going to have the issue of not having many fair combatants. Probably don’t want to give the other team some impression you’ve fought out of your weight class, or they may go looking for individuals too.


Fights are fine…two willing combatants.
Serves a purpose. All for it.

I think Rempe’s purpose is a little different though.
He is there to injure people.
Its only going to get his teammates hurt.
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Feb. 24 at 5:21 p.m.
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Quoting: HockeyScotty
It's pretty crazy to think about LAK shedding young D over the last few years:

Brock Faber to Minny due to pipeline logjam at RHD affecting their ability to get him to sign.
Sean Durzi to Arizona for a 2nd
Sean Walker to Philly as part of the Cal Petersen cap dump
Tobias Bjornfot lost to VGK on waivers

They still have issues getting playing time for Brandy Clarke, Jordan Spence, and Jacob Moverare in the NHL.


Yeah, some nice talent jettisoned (all other clubs would go OH YEAH WE LIKEY; thanks).
Is something wrong in the water there or what? LOL

In WC #2 so that's a plus at least thus far.
To add on - player dissention, coach out and in WC #2!
Feb. 24 at 5:26 p.m.
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Edited Feb. 24 at 5:47 p.m.
Quoting: NHLfan10506
Fights are fine…two willing combatants.
Serves a purpose. All for it.

I think Rempe’s purpose is a little different though.
He is there to injure people.
Its only going to get his teammates hurt.


Fight + 1G (edit: GAME WINNER) + ___________ (for the Gordie).

CAM YORK - was in Rempe's tracks and likely felt the "eclipse" was coming a little earlier this yr...
Feb. 24 at 8:02 p.m.
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So awesome to see that the Greenmen are back in Vancouver
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Feb. 24 at 8:24 p.m.
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Quoting: KSIxSKULLS
So awesome to see that the Greenmen are back in Vancouver


Nature is healing
Feb. 24 at 8:51 p.m.
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Nature is healing


GOOD ONE!
Couldn't find a pix w/ beer but you can do the math; clean-up in aisle 6!

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Feb. 24 at 9:42 p.m.
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Jamie Benn is BACK
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Stankoven making his NHL debut tonight for the Stars and looking like he belongs. The future is bright!
Feb. 24 at 10:01 p.m.
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Stankoven making his NHL debut tonight for the Stars and looking like he belongs. The future is bright!


Him, Borque, and Johnston all are going to be legit for years to come. Hell, Johnston already is
Feb. 24 at 10:05 p.m.
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Bertuzzi hatty on his Bday not to shabby
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Feb. 24 at 11:20 p.m.
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Bertuzzi hatty on his Bday not to shabby


Sweet. At least he can produce 1 day a year. Sticking Out Tongue
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Feb. 24 at 11:21 p.m.
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Looks like two Leafs will get 50 this year.
Austin...
Zach...

WHAT - Dubas traded him; bahahahahha...!
Feb. 24 at 11:24 p.m.
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Sweet. At least he can produce 1 day a year. Sticking Out Tongue


There been more than this where's he's scored but a Bday hatty not to shabby

Getting hot at the right time for us be perfect.

The depth has come alive

McMann, Domi, Bertuzzi have started to wake
Feb. 24 at 11:30 p.m.
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Looks like two Leafs will get 50 this year.
Austin...
Zach...

WHAT - Dubas traded him; bahahahahha...!


Left as UFA, no?
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Feb. 24 at 11:42 p.m.
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Left as UFA, no?

Details details.

OK, edit - DUBAS let him walk!
BAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAA
Feb. 25 at 12:31 a.m.
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Left as UFA, no?


dubas could've gotten a pick if he signed his signing rights to the oilers

feel like that was a bit of whiff
Feb. 25 at 12:31 a.m.
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Quoting: NHLfan10506
Fights are fine…two willing combatants.
Serves a purpose. All for it.

I think Rempe’s purpose is a little different though.
He is there to injure people.
Its only going to get his teammates hurt.


And yet we would all want him on our respective teams
Feb. 25 at 12:33 a.m.
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dubas could've gotten a pick if he signed his signing rights to the oilers

feel like that was a bit of whiff


Well it wouldnt have been high unless Holland gave in which he was close.

Honestly its for the best for both sides. As TOR did have a nice replacement for a while then he got in ref jail and they moved on
Feb. 25 at 12:36 a.m.
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Anyone see that crazy Silverberg stat which makes no sense considering ANA defensive issues
Feb. 25 at 2:06 a.m.
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And yet we would all want him on our respective teams


Nah he would be expelled from the league if he was a Leaf. As if he did that hit on Bastian in a leafs jersey its adios man lul


Rempe's big and does some stuff but eventually league catches on starts penalizing more and then its pressbox or back to AHL. Hes getting his 30 seconds of fame but eventually it runs out. Remember Logan Stanley or Curtis Douglas

They had their moments now nothing.
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Feb. 25 at 5:08 a.m.
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Bored and Ranking the “available” goalies, showing remaining term which impacts ranking.

1a. Gibson, 3years
1b. Markstrom, 2 years
2a. Saros, 1 year
2b. Hellebyuck, 0 years, not available tdl, avail opposing offseasons
3. Binnington, 3 years
Large gap
4. Kähkönen, 0 years
5a. MAF vet backup
5b. Allen vet backup

Seems to me if you’re gonna pay the piper, Gibson should be the target. You get less for your money in all the rest, whether it be term or performance. I can’t imagine the ask for saros, for example, is all that much less than the ask for Gibson. Either should require something you def don’t want to give away. Even binnington would require some chunky asset in return.

Is why I’m trying to guess that NJD and ANA make deal. You’re gonna pay fine dining prices no matter where you go to eat, may as well pick the best food.
Feb. 25 at 8:00 a.m.
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Bored and Ranking the “available” goalies, showing remaining term which impacts ranking.

1a. Gibson, 3years
1b. Markstrom, 2 years
2a. Saros, 1 year
2b. Hellebyuck, 0 years, not available tdl, avail opposing offseasons
3. Binnington, 3 years
Large gap
4. Kähkönen, 0 years
5a. MAF vet backup
5b. Allen vet backup

Seems to me if you’re gonna pay the piper, Gibson should be the target. You get less for your money in all the rest, whether it be term or performance. I can’t imagine the ask for saros, for example, is all that much less than the ask for Gibson. Either should require something you def don’t want to give away. Even binnington would require some chunky asset in return.

Is why I’m trying to guess that NJD and ANA make deal. You’re gonna pay fine dining prices no matter where you go to eat, may as well pick the best food.


Gibson had a decent start to the season but he has fallen off big time since then. He is nowhere near the tier of goaltender to be in that conversation. With his contract he is negative value to any team and there is no debate; you won't find any "eye-test" or analytics to support an argument to the contrary. 2-3 years ago, maybe.

Markstrom and Saros are elite goalies playing like elite goalies through adverse situations. Saros is younger, lower AAV, and less term so he would be the primary target unless a team is hung up on size. Markstrom is right there with him but his contract is bigger, he's older but he also has more term. Ullmark has to be in the mix at this top tier; one of the best overall goalies in the league the last few years; workload has been managed well; contract is decent. Boston needs help in other areas and think they have full faith in Swayman; come elimination game in a playoff series you can only play one goalie so the tandem doesn't help you in crunch time.

Lindgren would be next in the conversation, in my book. He is UFA after this year and Caps have Kuemper long term with several decent players in the minors needing to move up. Lindgren could snag them valuable forward assets they need. I actually think that Boston would go after him if they move Ullmark. Binnington with retention would be right around here due to the baggage he brings and his inconsistency lately.

Blackwood and Kahkonen would slot in behind those guys in league perception and we start to get into the "tweeners" that are best as a duo/tandem/1A-1B platoon rather than full time starters. Merzlikins might be right with these guys or below; it's hard to tell they way teams perceive him right now; but his deal is tougher to take on but CBJ can retain to make him affordable. Gibson (with retention) would fit in this tier (his best play this year was when he and Dostal formed a tandem in rotating starts).

Marc-Andre Fleury would be in the "1B/Backup" group along with guys like Jake Allen, Anton Forsberg, James Reimer, and even Alex Nedeljkovic would be available if Penguins fall out of it.

The only thing that will delay the market and lower the price is that there is such a pretty high supply of good goaltenders on the market; but cap management and playing style fits will dictate the moves.
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Feb. 25 at 8:34 a.m.
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Gibson had a decent start to the season but he has fallen off big time since then. He is nowhere near the tier of goaltender to be in that conversation. With his contract he is negative value to any team and there is no debate; you won't find any "eye-test" or analytics to support an argument to the contrary. 2-3 years ago, maybe.

Markstrom and Saros are elite goalies playing like elite goalies through adverse situations. Saros is younger, lower AAV, and less term so he would be the primary target unless a team is hung up on size. Markstrom is right there with him but his contract is bigger, he's older but he also has more term. Ullmark has to be in the mix at this top tier; one of the best overall goalies in the league the last few years; workload has been managed well; contract is decent. Boston needs help in other areas and think they have full faith in Swayman; come elimination game in a playoff series you can only play one goalie so the tandem doesn't help you in crunch time.

Lindgren would be next in the conversation, in my book. He is UFA after this year and Caps have Kuemper long term with several decent players in the minors needing to move up. Lindgren could snag them valuable forward assets they need. I actually think that Boston would go after him if they move Ullmark. Binnington with retention would be right around here due to the baggage he brings and his inconsistency lately.

Blackwood and Kahkonen would slot in behind those guys in league perception and we start to get into the "tweeners" that are best as a duo/tandem/1A-1B platoon rather than full time starters. Merzlikins might be right with these guys or below; it's hard to tell they way teams perceive him right now; but his deal is tougher to take on but CBJ can retain to make him affordable. Gibson (with retention) would fit in this tier (his best play this year was when he and Dostal formed a tandem in rotating starts).

Marc-Andre Fleury would be in the "1B/Backup" group along with guys like Jake Allen, Anton Forsberg, James Reimer, and even Alex Nedeljkovic would be available if Penguins fall out of it.

The only thing that will delay the market and lower the price is that there is such a pretty high supply of good goaltenders on the market; but cap management and playing style fits will dictate the moves.


Lindgren has the eternal benefit of being weird handed and confusing every shooter trying to go glove high on his blocker side. Perhaps that’s an excellent playoff backup for a deep run. Great way to mix up a series, as it changes your breakout and coverage to defaulting to the goalies forehand side, and maybe disrupts high end shooters who may instinctually be aiming under/above the glove. You have to wonder if that improperly held his career back. I guess it’s possible he belongs in a much higher tier of goalie than he’s considered to be.
Feb. 25 at 11:05 a.m.
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Bertuzzi hatty on his Bday not to shabby


One of the only times this season I haven’t wanted to send him to moon!
Feb. 25 at 12:22 p.m.
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Bored and Ranking the “available” goalies, showing remaining term which impacts ranking.

1a. Gibson, 3years
1b. Markstrom, 2 years
2a. Saros, 1 year
2b. Hellebyuck, 0 years, not available tdl, avail opposing offseasons
3. Binnington, 3 years
Large gap
4. Kähkönen, 0 years
5a. MAF vet backup
5b. Allen vet backup

Seems to me if you’re gonna pay the piper, Gibson should be the target. You get less for your money in all the rest, whether it be term or performance. I can’t imagine the ask for saros, for example, is all that much less than the ask for Gibson. Either should require something you def don’t want to give away. Even binnington would require some chunky asset in return.

Is why I’m trying to guess that NJD and ANA make deal. You’re gonna pay fine dining prices no matter where you go to eat, may as well pick the best food.


Gibson is a cap dump without retention imo
 
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