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Buffalo Sabres signed Jack Eichel (8 Years / $10,000,000 AAV)

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Oct 3 at 7:36 pm
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Jack Eichel has signed a new contract with the Buffalo Sabres.
STANDARD CONTRACT
LENGTH: 8 YEARS
SIGNING TEAM: Buffalo Sabres
EXPIRY STATUS: UFA
VALUE: $80,000,000
SIGNING DATE: October 3, 2017
SEASONCLAUSECAP HIT AAV S. BONUSES P. BONUSES NHL SALARY AHL SALARY
2018-19$10,000,000$10,000,000$0$0$10,000,000$10,000,000
2019-20$10,000,000$10,000,000$0$0$10,000,000$10,000,000
2020-21$10,000,000$10,000,000$7,500,000$0$10,000,000$10,000,000
2021-22$10,000,000$10,000,000$0$0$10,000,000$10,000,000
2022-23$10,000,000$10,000,000$7,500,000$0$10,000,000$10,000,000
2023-24$10,000,000$10,000,000$0$0$10,000,000$10,000,000
2024-25$10,000,000$10,000,000$0$0$10,000,000$10,000,000
2025-26$10,000,000$10,000,000$0$0$10,000,000$10,000,000
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Oct 3 at 7:39 pm
#2
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About what I expected considering the other contracts signed this summer.
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Oct 3 at 8:09 pm
#3
Caps Fan // NSH v2
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Eichel is a stud
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Oct 3 at 8:19 pm
#4
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For a guy who isn't even P/GP, this seems excessive. The term is great though, good for Buffalo to get him locked up for another 9 years.

I guess they're betting on an $80M+ cap going forward?
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Oct 3 at 10:39 pm
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Two words Buffalo: Christian Ehrhoff awesome face

2014 draft:
#1 Ekblad $60 / 8y = $7.5
#2 Reinhart n/a
#3 Draisatl $68 / 8y = $8.5

2015 draft:
#1 McDavid $100 / 8y = $12.5
#2 Eichel $80 / 8y = $10
#3 Strome n/a

2016 draft:
#1 Matthews
#2 Laine
#3 Dubois
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Oct 4 at 9:28 am
#6
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Seems a bit high to me. Maybe he has over a PPG year this year and it will seem about right, but its definitely a risk.
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Oct 4 at 10:25 am
#7
I'm a Skatman
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14 roster players and 19 million of cap space next year. Nylander etc better step up...
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Oct 4 at 1:12 pm
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zackdionne9
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Way too much considering McDavid is making $12.5 million a year. Even though there have been multiple long term, big money contracts this summer, I don't think Eichel should be making more than Pastrnak even.
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Oct 4 at 1:22 pm
#9
Majors and minors
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Its sort of like McDavid's first year, where dude only scored so many points. Eichel's second year was cut short by 21 games, a quarter of the season lost to injury. So, betting on Dude being healthy this year and playing with vengeance, I might say Dude could have fire inside wanting to live up to his promise of making people regret picking McDavid first, remember.
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Oct 4 at 1:26 pm
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What is everyone so worried about? He's the 2nd or 3rd best hockey talent under 25 years old in the world.
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Oct 4 at 10:43 pm
#11
jeremy
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Edited Oct 4 at 10:45 pm
bogosian moulson georges. (kill me now murray) add pominville. then kane and reinhart need money..its gonna be tight until some contracts expire. EDIT* Im happy with eichels contract. not happy with some decision tim murray made. hindsight blahdy-blahdy
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Oct 5 at 12:06 pm
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Another overpayment predicated on McDavid's ridiculous contract. Yes, he's great. No, he's not worth Kane money. Not to mention you can see what the Kane/Toews contracts are doing to Chicago right now. These are RFA years, and the Sabres have all of the leverage with no arbitration rights. Maybe he's worth $10m in 4 years.. he's not right now
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Oct 6 at 7:54 am
#13
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If he's not getting 100 points, he should not be getting 10M. Simply not worth that amount. By those standards yes I also think McDavid is overpaid. Eichel should be at 7.5M - 8.5M. McDavid should be at 9.5M - 11M. Draisaitl's isn't too bad, but he is literally at the max that he should be paid. Should be closer to 7.5M - 8M.
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Oct 7 at 5:16 pm
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Quoting: Bflo_Soldier
What is everyone so worried about? He's the 2nd or 3rd best hockey talent under 25 years old in the world.


Really? I can think of about 10 players who would disagree with that statement.
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Oct 9 at 8:34 am
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Quoting: CD282
Quoting: Bflo_Soldier
What is everyone so worried about? He's the 2nd or 3rd best hockey talent under 25 years old in the world.


Really? I can think of about 10 players who would disagree with that statement.


They have a right to be wrong.
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Oct 10 at 9:48 am
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Quoting: Bflo_Soldier
Quoting: CD282


Really? I can think of about 10 players who would disagree with that statement.


They have a right to be wrong.


LOL, and so do you.
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Oct 10 at 11:05 am
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Edited Oct 10 at 11:10 am
Quoting: Bflo_Soldier
What is everyone so worried about? He's the 2nd or 3rd best hockey talent under 25 years old in the world.


Players 25-and-under many people would take before Eichel (YMMV), listed in order of points per game since 2015-16:

McDavid 1.17
Kucherov 1.01
Scheifele 0.97
Panarin 0.94
Seguin 0.94
Gaudreau 0.94
Tarasenko 0.93
Barkov 0.88
Matthews 0.87
Laine 0.87
Kuznetsov 0.86
Guentzel 0.84
Draisaitl 0.83
Marner 0.80
Huberdeau 0.80
(Eichel) 0.80

Some might be interested in a D-man instead:

Klingberg 0.69
Gostisbehere 0.62
Werenski 0.60
Hamilton 0.57

Or even a goalie, such as Matt Murray. That's 20 names for which an argument can be made that they're better players than Eichel. I'm not making that argument about all these guys, just outlining that Eichel is not legitimately one of the top 2 / 3 players in his age group by any metric. He's a good player and I'm glad Buffalo has him locked up for 9 more years, I just don't think he's worth Patrick Kane money.
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Oct 10 at 11:16 am
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I'm a Skatman
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Quoting: CD282
Quoting: Bflo_Soldier
What is everyone so worried about? He's the 2nd or 3rd best hockey talent under 25 years old in the world.


Players 25-and-under many people would take before Eichel (YMMV), listed in order of points per game since 2015-16:

McDavid 1.17
Kucherov 1.01
Scheifele 0.97
Panarin 0.94
Seguin 0.94
Gaudreau 0.94
Tarasenko 0.93
Barkov 0.88
Matthews 0.87
Laine 0.87
Kuznetsov 0.86
Guentzel 0.84
Draisaitl 0.83
Marner 0.80
Huberdeau 0.80
(Eichel) 0.80

Some might be interested in a D-man instead:

Klingberg 0.69
Gostisbehere 0.62
Werenski 0.60
Hamilton 0.57

Or even a goalie, such as Matt Murray. That's 20 names for which an argument can be made that they're better players than Eichel. I'm not making that argument about all these guys, just outlining that Eichel is not legitimately one of the top 2 / 3 players in his age group by any metric. He's a good player and I'm glad Buffalo has him locked up for 9 more years, I just don't think he's worth Patrick Kane money.


if you're talking about "talents" it doesn't make sense to include Kucherov, Panarin, Seguin, Huberdeau, Kuznetsov and Tarasenko. These are all in their prime. Doesn't make sense to evaluate "talents" with a five year gap between them.
Actually, I'd make a similar point for Scheifele. He's a now matured 1C. McDavid is obviously above and beyond him. Gaudreau and Draisaitl and Barkov are also older and more experienced than him. Guentzel might be a reach when comparing his talent to Eichel. That leaves only Marner and Laine, which is good company for him. Comparing Klingberg, Gostisbehere and Hamilton to Eichel is a reach too.
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Oct 10 at 8:23 pm
#19
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Quoting: Barathrum_Obama
Quoting: CD282


Players 25-and-under many people would take before Eichel (YMMV), listed in order of points per game since 2015-16:

McDavid 1.17
Kucherov 1.01
Scheifele 0.97
Panarin 0.94
Seguin 0.94
Gaudreau 0.94
Tarasenko 0.93
Barkov 0.88
Matthews 0.87
Laine 0.87
Kuznetsov 0.86
Guentzel 0.84
Draisaitl 0.83
Marner 0.80
Huberdeau 0.80
(Eichel) 0.80

Some might be interested in a D-man instead:

Klingberg 0.69
Gostisbehere 0.62
Werenski 0.60
Hamilton 0.57

Or even a goalie, such as Matt Murray. That's 20 names for which an argument can be made that they're better players than Eichel. I'm not making that argument about all these guys, just outlining that Eichel is not legitimately one of the top 2 / 3 players in his age group by any metric. He's a good player and I'm glad Buffalo has him locked up for 9 more years, I just don't think he's worth Patrick Kane money.


if you're talking about "talents" it doesn't make sense to include Kucherov, Panarin, Seguin, Huberdeau, Kuznetsov and Tarasenko. These are all in their prime. Doesn't make sense to evaluate "talents" with a five year gap between them.
Actually, I'd make a similar point for Scheifele. He's a now matured 1C. McDavid is obviously above and beyond him. Gaudreau and Draisaitl and Barkov are also older and more experienced than him. Guentzel might be a reach when comparing his talent to Eichel. That leaves only Marner and Laine, which is good company for him. Comparing Klingberg, Gostisbehere and Hamilton to Eichel is a reach too.


I think you're confusing "talent" with "potential". You absolutely can compare talent in players 3-4 years apart. Eichel will be 21 this month, I don't think it's a stretch to compare him with Kucherov who just turned 24 this summer. Draisaitl is just 12 months older than Eichel and Barkov 13 months, while Matthews is 11 months younger. If they aren't comparable, nobody is.
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