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is this enough for Bear

Created by: Trickster
Initial Creation Date: Oct 21, 2019
Published: Oct 21 at 7:34 pm
Team: 2020-21 Toronto Maple Leafs
Team Explanation
Only looking to see if this enough to Oilers
Trades
TOR
  1. Bear, Ethan [RFA Rights]
EDM
  1. Bracco, Jeremy [RFA Rights]
  2. 2020 3rd round pick (CBJ)
Additional Details:
I think Bracco would make the Oilers roster next year
Buyouts
  • Mikhail Grabovski: $0
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Phil Kessel: $1,200,000 (15%)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2020
TOR
TOR
VGK
TOR
CAR
COL
EDM
SJS
STL
WPG
2021
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
2022
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
12$83,500,000$65,589,366$0$0$17,910,634
Left WingCenterRight Wing
TOR
Johnsson, Andreas
$3,400,000
LW
UFA - 3
TOR
Matthews, Auston
$11,634,000
C
UFA - 4
TOR
Marner, Mitchell
$10,893,000
RW
UFA - 5
TOR
Hyman, Zach
$2,250,000
LW
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Tavares, John
$11,000,000
C
NMC
UFA - 5
TOR
Nylander, William
$6,962,366
RW, C
UFA - 4
TOR
Petan, Nicolas
$775,000
LW, RW, C
RFA - 1
TOR
Kerfoot, Alexander
$3,500,000
C, LW
UFA - 3
TOR
Kapanen, Kasperi
$3,200,000
RW
RFA - 2
TOR
Moore, Trevor
$775,000
RW, LW
RFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
TOR
Rielly, Morgan
$5,000,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Andersen, Frederik
$5,000,000
G
NTC
UFA - 1

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Oct 21 at 7:39
#1
Let's Go Rangers!
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Nope.
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Oct 21 at 7:42
#2
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Generally teams don't wait for prospects to get good and then trade them.
Oct 21 at 7:52
#3
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BtZ's buttercup
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Quoting: aedoran
Generally teams don't wait for prospects to get good and then trade them.


If the Oilers extend Nurse they will have 2020 the following on the D :

Klefboom
Larsson
Russell
Nurse
Bouchard


Now look how many UFA on FWs they have.
That is why this move makes sense.
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Oct 21 at 8:04
#4
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Quoting: aedoran
Generally teams don't wait for prospects to get good and then trade them.


Leafs management from the 2000's would like a word with you. 😛
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Oct 21 at 8:13
#5
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Its just too much to bear...
Oct 21 at 8:19
#6
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Quoting: Trickster
If the Oilers extend Nurse they will have 2020 the following on the D :

Klefboom
Larsson
Russell
Nurse
Bouchard


Now look how many UFA on FWs they have.
That is why this move makes sense.


Ok it makes sense for the Leafs but not the Oilers. Bear is an RFA so they have him for the next 5yrs. Russell is 32 and his best years are behind him so if Edmonton moves a defenseman it would be Russell. Bracco is 22yr old winger, who has never played an NHL game despite lighting it up last season in the AHL Now with Tavares hurt why hasn't Bracco been called up yet? So why would Edmonton trade a good young defenseman who is starting breakout in the NHL.
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Oct 21 at 8:34
#7
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BtZ's buttercup
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Quoting: aedoran
Ok it makes sense for the Leafs but not the Oilers. Bear is an RFA so they have him for the next 5yrs. Russell is 32 and his best years are behind him so if Edmonton moves a defenseman it would be Russell. Bracco is 22yr old winger, who has never played an NHL game despite lighting it up last season in the AHL Now with Tavares hurt why hasn't Bracco been called up yet? So why would Edmonton trade a good young defenseman who is starting breakout in the NHL.


Moving Russell is going to cost the hefty price, maybe even retention.
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Oct 21 at 8:35
#8
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Obviously not a trade Oiler fans are going to like, however, Bracco is good enough to be in the top 6 in Edmonton now. Which isn't an endorsement of his skills.
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Oct 21 at 8:43
#9
EDM
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Quoting: Trickster
Moving Russell is going to cost the hefty price, maybe even retention.


Russell’s contract becomes very buyout friendly next season.
Oct 21 at 8:46
#10
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No. Why would they want to trade him?
Oct 21 at 8:47
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Quoting: yamahut
Russell’s contract becomes very buyout friendly next season.


Not really buyout friendly.. 3M buyout so only 1M savings. What it does become is very tradeable to the right teams after July 1st bonus Russell's salary will only be 1.5M. I don't think Oilers would have to "pay a hefty price" to move Russell bit of retention and Oilers likely to get midround pick back plus Russell actually looked fairly decent this year especially when playing leftside
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Oct 21 at 8:57
#12
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Bear is a 22 year old RFA who is crushing it playing top-pairing minutes against elite competition. I do not know who Bracco is frankly, but even with a 3rd, I could not see this making sense for Edmonton.
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Oct 21 at 8:57
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Quoting: Bluetomorrow83
Not really buyout friendly.. 3M buyout so only 1M savings. What it does become is very tradeable to the right teams after July 1st bonus Russell's salary will only be 1.5M. I don't think Oilers would have to "pay a hefty price" to move Russell bit of retention and Oilers likely to get midround pick back plus Russell actually looked fairly decent this year especially when playing leftside


What about after Russell's bonus is paid? Is his buyout penalty still $3m?
Oct 21 at 9:26
#14
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Quoting: Trickster
If the Oilers extend Nurse they will have 2020 the following on the D :

Klefboom
Larsson
Russell
Nurse
Bouchard


Now look how many UFA on FWs they have.
That is why this move makes sense.


Larsson and Russell will only have 1 year left. You're better off trading for one of them.
Oct 21 at 9:27
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Edited Oct 21 at 9:48
Quoting: Db_2984
What about after Russell's bonus is paid? Is his buyout penalty still $3m?


Edited: the trouble is that the buyout window is in June, while the bonus gets paid out July 1st (I believe), so it can only happen if the Oilers have an RFA who opts for arbitration.
Oct 21 at 9:28
#16
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Edited Oct 21 at 10:01
Quoting: LoganOllivier
Obviously not a trade Oiler fans are going to like, however, Bracco is good enough to be in the top 6 in Edmonton now. Which isn't an endorsement of his skills.


Bear is playing 1st pairing RHD in Edmonton right now - and he looks good doing it.
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Oct 21 at 9:40
#17
EDM
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Edited Oct 21 at 9:46
Quoting: Bluetomorrow83
Not really buyout friendly.. 3M buyout so only 1M savings. What it does become is very tradeable to the right teams after July 1st bonus Russell's salary will only be 1.5M. I don't think Oilers would have to "pay a hefty price" to move Russell bit of retention and Oilers likely to get midround pick back plus Russell actually looked fairly decent this year especially when playing leftside

It would not be a hefty price, as was said though. In a worse case scenario the Oilers would save a million of Russell’s cap hit and cost $0 after the contract in a buyout. I believe that NHL opportunities should be made available for Edmontons young defenceman, without paying a vet millions of dollars to sit.
Oct 21 at 9:44
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Quoting: LoganOllivier
Obviously not a trade Oiler fans are going to like, however, Bracco is good enough to be in the top 6 in Edmonton now. Which isn't an endorsement of his skills.


No he isn't. Bracco is an undersized 22 year old winger who scored 1.05 p/gp in the AHL last year, he isn't as good as Edmonton's Cooper Marody, a 6'0 22 year old center who scored 1.10 p/gp in the AHL last year.

So no, this trade isn't close.
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Oct 21 at 10:10
#19
Burgers and Hockey
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Quoting: LoganOllivier
Obviously not a trade Oiler fans are going to like, however, Bracco is good enough to be in the top 6 in Edmonton now. Which isn't an endorsement of his skills.


Considering that EDM TOP-6 is statistically currently one of the best in the entire league and that the asset you're talking about hasn't played a single game yet in NHL, I'd say this is nothing but a load of crap.
Oct 21 at 11:47
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Quoting: CD282
Bear is playing 1st pairing RHD in Edmonton right now - and he looks good doing it.


Okay bud, the team is a mirage and it's going to turn. Bad across the board when McDavid isn't on the ice. He doesn't score 2 or more points and Edmonton has no chance of winning. They could squeek in sure but only because the Pacific sucks.
Oct 21 at 11:49
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Quoting: CD282
No he isn't. Bracco is an undersized 22 year old winger who scored 1.05 p/gp in the AHL last year, he isn't as good as Edmonton's Cooper Marody, a 6'0 22 year old center who scored 1.10 p/gp in the AHL last year.

So no, this trade isn't close.


Okay really great analysis there.
Oct 21 at 11:49
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Quoting: BurgerBoss
Considering that EDM TOP-6 is statistically currently one of the best in the entire league and that the asset you're talking about hasn't played a single game yet in NHL, I'd say this is nothing but a load of crap.


McDavid is tops the rest not so much.
Oct 22 at 1:12
#23
Isles777
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Quoting: LoganOllivier
McDavid is tops the rest not so much.


Draisaitl , RNH, and Neal aren’t good players?
Oct 22 at 2:18
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Quoting: LoganOllivier
Okay bud, the team is a mirage and it's going to turn. Bad across the board when McDavid isn't on the ice. He doesn't score 2 or more points and Edmonton has no chance of winning. They could squeek in sure but only because the Pacific sucks.


Not sure if you've been watching many leaf games lately Logan, but stones and glass houses come to mind right about now..
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Oct 22 at 5:50
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Quoting: LoganOllivier
Okay bud, the team is a mirage and it's going to turn. Bad across the board when McDavid isn't on the ice. He doesn't score 2 or more points and Edmonton has no chance of winning. They could squeek in sure but only because the Pacific sucks.


Well, sure. But 2 things: (1) McDavid has no points in the past 2 games (a rare thing) and the Oilers want 1-0-1 in those games, so there's more to this team than just him; and (2) this has NOTHING to do with the fact that Ethan Bear has 10x the value that Bracco has. Nothing.
 
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