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A Message to all Leaf Fans Hating on John Tavares

Created by: TheBetterTkachuk
Initial Creation Date: Dec 8, 2020
Published: Dec 8, 2020 at 1:29
Team: 2020-21 Toronto Maple Leafs
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Greatness is not all captured on a score sheet.

I am seeing an unprecedented amount of hate for the Toronto Maple Leafs captain, John Tavares.

You stuck up bunch of selfish losers are lucky to have that 1-2 punch down the middle. I can probably speak for Wild fans, Rangers fans, and pretty much anyone else looking for a good center. Do you know how much I, a flames fan, would love to have Tavares on my team?? his leadership qualities are amazing. The man has dignity, pride in his play, and a stupid amazing work ethic. You for YEARS have had a 3C as your 1C, and now you have 2 Bona-fide 1Cs.

Yet you arrogant leaf fans are throwing one away because he's "Not good enough" "On the decline" "Lazy" "Paid too much".

Yes, hes paid $11,000,000. But you get what you pay for, hes not just a scorer, hes a leader, and makes everyone around him better. Not once has Tavares been at the center of a controversy, not once has he been unhappy where hes played, not once has he complained about his linemates or coaches. Be grateful you leaf fans, that you have a player like John Tavares on your team.

Be thankful that you have an amazing center like Tavares, who makes those around him better, and scores while at it.

Honestly, from an outsider, You guys have something special in Tavares. Cherish him and what he brings to the team.

Respect your captain, leader, and hometown hero.

Cheers,

~ TheBetterTkachuk

"Some may have more talent than you, but there is NO EXCUSE for anyone working harder than you."
~ John Tavares
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TOR
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TOR
Hyman, Zach
$2,250,000
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NTC
UFA - 1
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Tavares, John
$11,000,000
C
NMC
UFA - 5
TOR
Marner, Mitchell
$10,903,000
RW
UFA - 5
TOR
Mikheyev, Ilya
$1,645,000
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UFA - 2
TOR
Matthews, Auston
$11,640,250
C
UFA - 4
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Nylander, William
$6,962,366
RW, LW
UFA - 4
TOR
Vesey, Jimmy
$900,000
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UFA - 1
TOR
Kerfoot, Alexander
$3,500,000
C, LW
UFA - 3
TOR
Simmonds, Wayne
$1,500,000
RW, LW
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Robertson, Nicholas
$821,667
LW
RFA - 4
TOR
Spezza, Jason
$700,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
TOR
Thornton, Joe
$700,000
C, LW
NMC
UFA - 1
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Boyd, Travis
$700,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
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Muzzin, Jake
$5,625,000
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NMC
UFA - 4
TOR
Brodie, TJ
$5,000,000
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NMC
UFA - 4
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Andersen, Frederik
$5,000,000
G
NTC
UFA - 1
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Rielly, Morgan
$5,000,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Holl, Justin
$2,000,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 3
TOR
Campbell, Jack
$1,650,000
G
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Lehtonen, Mikko
$925,000
LD
UFA - 1
TOR
Bogosian, Zach
$1,000,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 1
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Sandin, Rasmus
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Dec 8, 2020 at 1:31
#1
Eichel to NYR
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I definitely don't think it's Leafs fans that hate on Tavares.
Dec 8, 2020 at 1:32
#2
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Love this post. I agree
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Dec 8, 2020 at 1:33
#3
RangerWall92
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This is very well-written. Kudos to you
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Dec 8, 2020 at 1:33
#4
best poster
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Tavares left money on the table in other teams to come here. I think people forget that sometimes. He wanted to play in Toronto.
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Dec 8, 2020 at 1:35
#5
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that's my captain
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Dec 8, 2020 at 1:35
#6
RIP Norm Macdonald
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Quoting: mondo
Tavares left money on the table in other teams to come here. I think people forget that sometimes. He wanted to play in Toronto.


Yeah but the guy only scored at like .95 pace last year, he’s basically garbage. Trade him to Minny for bonino
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Dec 8, 2020 at 1:36
#7
Thread Starter
I hate Toronto
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Quoting: Lyle_Bubas
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that's my captain


i wish he were mine
Dec 8, 2020 at 1:37
#8
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Quoting: yikes
Yeah but the guy only scored at a like .89 pace last year, he’s basically garbage. Trade him to Minny for bonino


You joke but I bet someone on sports radio has called in to suggest this. This is why a ton of players don't want to come to Toronto. It's a large fanbase but there is a very vocal section of chuds who will throw anyone and everyone under the bus if things aren't absolutely perfect.
Dec 8, 2020 at 1:41
#9
In Pridham we trust
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Quoting: Stanley_Cup_To_Manhattan
I definitely don't think it's Leafs fans that hate on Tavares.


There is a big enough group (mostly made up of Anti-Dubas fans) that really don't like the signing.

Great point by the OP, though. Leafs went years with 3Cs as 1Cs - Stajan, Connolly, Bozak, then Kadri (a 2C).

Doesn't take long for a fanbase to become complacent.
Dec 8, 2020 at 1:41
#10
RIP Norm Macdonald
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Quoting: mondo
You joke but I bet someone on sports radio has called in to suggest this. This is why a ton of players don't want to come to Toronto. It's a large fanbase but there is a very vocal section of chuds who will through anyone and everyone under the bus if things aren't absolutely perfect.

It’s actually .95 lol

And yeah, it’s the largest fan base, the centre of hockey in Ontario/ Canada basically (surrounded areas included), and a major media area. The amount of “media product” that’s demanded to feed the mouths is massive. And with so many people it becomes so loud because you could have 100 thousand fans crying for his head and than 200 thousand loving him, but that’s a very loud 100k (and a large group) and combined the fanbase needs more and more product so all the stations and personnel have to feed them. Add on top of that that once Toronto began to get better, the raptors actually got better and then won it all - whereas Toronto has gained no real ground. So you have a major disconnect where you have champion team - then fail every year on the other side.
Dec 8, 2020 at 1:42
#11
Dr.
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John Tavares is that you?!
Dec 8, 2020 at 1:43
#12
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I hate Toronto
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Quoting: Barilko14
There is a big enough group (mostly made up of Anti-Dubas fans) that really don't like the signing.

Great point by the OP, though. Leafs went years with 3Cs as 1Cs - Stajan, Connolly, Bozak, then Kadri (a 2C).

Doesn't take long for a fanbase to become complacent.


im amazed at how little time it took for the leafs, who had 1 star player on their team, to become so entitled they want to offload a star player
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Dec 8, 2020 at 1:44
#13
ARAB05
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11 Million for a leader whos best years are behind him. His best year before signing this deal was 86 points how in the world did he sign this expensive of a deal. And get this San Jose was going to give him more money it would have been an even worse contract!

Toronto will never win a cup paying 4 forwards 40 Million. Keep the three young players and trade Jonny...... Oh **** you gave him a NMC. Well i guess you have to trade one of your young players if you want to have a chance at a cup.
Dec 8, 2020 at 1:44
#14
exo2769
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I do think Tavares gets the raw end of the stick on here more than he probably should. But I don't understand the Leafs fans on here anyway. They hate on Taveras and Marner, but are OBSESSED with Nylander who still has a career high of 61 points. It's mind boggling.

It's displaced anger as to why Tavares gets beef. He's the #1 OA...He's the Captain...He gets PAID. So when his results are 1 single playoff series win in an 11 year career. He's the guy that gets heat.

I will say...it's expected to be all of what you're saying. He's supposed to be a "leader, and makes everyone around him better. Not once has Tavares been at the center of a controversy, not once has he been unhappy where hes played, not once has he complained about his line mates or coaches" That's BASE expectations. Pay me $11M a year and I promise I'll do everything above expect make my line mates better. That's 5 out of 6 points you made.

It's just frustration. TOR fans will be singing his praises in no time.
Dec 8, 2020 at 1:50
#15
Lenny7
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Quoting: Stanley_Cup_To_Manhattan
I definitely don't think it's Leafs fans that hate on Tavares.


I disagree to a certain extent. Yes, there's a number of Leaf-haters that go on, and on, and on, and on, about spending that large of an amount of the budget on 4 forwards, but I do think that a large portion of Leafs fans hate the Tavares signing, hate Mitch Marner (or to a lesser extent Nylander), because for some reason they think that not having Tavares would have miraculously ended with them signing Pietrangelo, which is hilariously dumb.
Dec 8, 2020 at 1:52
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Quoting: Lenny7
I disagree to a certain extent. Yes, there's a number of Leaf-haters that go on, and on, and on, and on, about spending that large of an amount of the budget on 4 forwards, but I do think that a large portion of Leafs fans hate the Tavares signing, hate Mitch Marner (or to a lesser extent Nylander), because for some reason they think that not having Tavares would have miraculously ended with them signing Pietrangelo, which is hilariously dumb.


I don't think they hate the individual players, more so the repercussions of spending upwards of $40M for 4 players. Matthews is the only excusable signing of that magnitude.
Dec 8, 2020 at 1:53
#17
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Quoting: arab05
11 Million for a leader whos best years are behind him. His best year before signing this deal was 86 points how in the world did he sign this expensive of a deal. And get this San Jose was going to give him more money it would have been an even worse contract!

Toronto will never win a cup paying 4 forwards 40 Million. Keep the three young players and trade Jonny...... Oh **** you gave him a NMC. Well i guess you have to trade one of your young players if you want to have a chance at a cup.



$40M on 4 fwds is the lazy excuse that fans use to explain the Leafs playoff losses.

Bad coaching (to start the year), lack of overall team defence (again mostly a coaching/systems issue), lack of maturity/consistency, and below avg goaltending were the true downfalls last year - none of those are related to $40M on 4 fwds.
Dec 8, 2020 at 1:54
#18
I heff to be mad...
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Quoting: Lyle_Bubas
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that's my captain


Even Babcock lol
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Dec 8, 2020 at 1:54
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Quoting: arab05
11 Million for a leader whos best years are behind him. His best year before signing this deal was 86 points how in the world did he sign this expensive of a deal. And get this San Jose was going to give him more money it would have been an even worse contract!

Toronto will never win a cup paying 4 forwards 40 Million. Keep the three young players and trade Jonny...... Oh **** you gave him a NMC. Well i guess you have to trade one of your young players if you want to have a chance at a cup.


Quoting: Barilko14
$40M on 4 fwds is the lazy excuse that fans use to explain the Leafs playoff losses.

Bad coaching (to start the year), lack of overall team defence (again mostly a coaching/systems issue), lack of maturity/consistency, and below avg goaltending were the true downfalls last year - none of those are related to $40M on 4 fwds.


the penguins won back to back cups spending 40% of their cap on kessel, crosby, malkin, and hornqvist

they spent 66% of their cap on forwards, the leafs are spending 65%
Dec 8, 2020 at 1:55
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Quoting: Stanley_Cup_To_Manhattan
I don't think they hate the individual players, more so the repercussions of spending upwards of $40M for 4 players. Matthews is the only excusable signing of that magnitude.


I don't think many Leaf fans actually hate Tavares. There's a vocal small amount of Leaf fans that hate Nylander and/or Marner.
Dec 8, 2020 at 2:01
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Quoting: mondo
Tavares left money on the table in other teams to come here. I think people forget that sometimes. He wanted to play in Toronto.


I don't hate the guy he's good but 11 million dollars is alot to go to a team you want to play for.
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Dec 8, 2020 at 2:12
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Quoting: Abroot
I don't hate the guy he's good but 11 million dollars is alot to go to a team you want to play for.


UFAs get paid. Kovalchuk got $100M in 2010. B. Richards was getting $12M per in real $$ at the start of his UFA deal. Parise/Suter got $98M in 2012.

Those were the last superstar's that made it to UFA.

Drew Doughty literally re-signed for $11M the same day Tavares signed. Salaries were on the rise with RFAs raising the bar.
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Dec 8, 2020 at 2:16
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Leafs fan hate Tavares eh? Then please explain to me why I have Tavares jerseys for me and my kids?!?! huh?
I've never hated anyone in my life named John.
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Dec 8, 2020 at 2:28
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What exactly do you hope to accomplish by this post? Leafs fans to stop bashing their best players? To stop picking a random scapegoat for lack of success? Good luck...
Dec 8, 2020 at 2:44
#25
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Quoting: ZiggyPalffy
What exactly do you hope to accomplish by this post? Leafs fans to stop bashing their best players? To stop picking a random scapegoat for lack of success? Good luck...


Why are you such a Debbie downer???? Why are you always bashing posts???

I’m going to give you a piece of advice from my mother.

“If you have nothing good to say, keep it to yourself.”
 
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