That comment is wrong on so many levels, if the league commits medical malpractice it should be called out, no matter who says it, as fans, we SHOULD want the league to be a nice and clean one on all levels, from the Commissioner to the assistant coaches and equipment guys. Lehner is setting a great example here about standing up for the right reasons instead of not doing anything about a bad situation.

I’m gonna keep it civil and I do get what you’re sayin; but the job of the NHLpa Isn’t to satisfy fans or the NHL. Their job is to protect the players. Not as athletes or investments but as individuals that work for the NHL. Lehner calling out issues that have proof and sources is a bother to the NHL. But is it wrong to be a bother? Just cause what Lehner says may be annoying or “tainting our precious league that we all value as fans” isn’t a bad thing. Sure you may dislike it but to have a voice standing up for players Health (mental and physical) is firstly; More important than staying quiet
And secondly quite literally what you’d want from the NHLPA
NHLPA is not supposed to be our friends as fans, and Lehner doesn’t need to be a friend to anyone. What he says isn’t pipe dreams. If they were I’d understand you more; but what he’s saying seemingly has legitimate facts/ sources.
I respect your opinion but I can also say that you’re just wrong. There is merit to what Lehner is saying and he’s not the first guy, and he’s definitely not gonna be the last. Lehner has views that I don’t agree and some that I do. Regardless; these recent “stories” aren’t supposed to be fun to read or be good for the game. He’s trying to make the game better by showing the flaws and hoping to improve on them.

So you’re saying that it’s a good thing that the NHL fined the Rangers?

It isn’t a bad thing for people like the Rangers, Tortorella, and Lehner to put forth valid criticisms of egregious problems that need to be fixed. If no one can ever question the system, then it’s never going to change for the better.

And if the thing that you won’t forgive has anything to do with his political leaning, everything he’s spoken out about has certainly proven he doesn’t support/follow the harmful ideas others of the same leaning often stand for.

Wow, looks like I started a war single-handedly. Feel like Rhett Butler standing in a room full of Confederates telling them the Yankees are better equipped to win the war and then having them all tear him to shreds (if you got that reference, you're a legend).
1) Now, to be clear: My point (as to what A_Habs_fan alluded to) is not that speaking out about medical malpractice that doesn't involve the speaker personally is wrong. My point is that Lehner should chime in only if the actual player involved in the incident (in this case, Patrick) supports him. Perhaps he does, but I haven't seen any indication of that yet. If Patrick does feel a grievance towards the Flyers for this, then Lehner is right, and I'm wrong. Either way however, he should not have mentioned Vigneault by name.
2) As to what yikes said about not objecting to the league being "tainted"-I don't object to it at all. I do object to Lehner calling out coaches by name. He shouldn't be doing that, regardless of his stance on the Flyers alleged medical malpractice.
3) Lastly, Kotkaniemi15, I was astounded that Wilson was let off the hook for bashing Buchnevich's cranium into the ice and rag-dolling Panarin afterwards, but the Rangers shouldn't have called out the head of the player safety department by name. A better way of saying it would be "We are severely disappointed with the league's decision" or some other vague, non-specific announcement, but you can't call out the guy in charge of the department by name, criticize him as not actually caring for the safety of players, and expect to NOT be fined (and again, I was on the Rangers' side all the way through). If Lehner had just called out the Flyers alone, that would be one thing, but don't bash Alain Vigneault on Twitter when you're a player. It comes off as very showy and obnoxious.
In short, I agree that Lehner raising awareness about mental health is good, that if he is supported by Patrick in this that his comments are just and that he has the right to say what he wants; I also agree that the league should be clean regardless of who raises the issue. I especially agree with the statement of Kotkaniemi15 "If no one can ever question the system, then it’s never going to change for the better." I don't agree that he would make a good NHLPA rep if he's calling out people by name, nor do I agree that he should be saying this IF Nolan Patrick is not (but again, if Patrick supports his coming forward with this, then I'm simply wrong).

I know I’m late to the party but what’s the story with Robin

He was the guy that was trying to fight everyone during the Devils vs Rangers preseason game

Fitz is stealing Drury's grit

Wow, looks like I started a war single-handedly. Feel like Rhett Butler standing in a room full of Confederates telling them the Yankees are better equipped to win the war and then having them all tear him to shreds (if you got that reference, you're a legend).
1) Now, to be clear: My point (as to what A_Habs_fan alluded to) is not that speaking out about medical malpractice that doesn't involve the speaker personally is wrong. My point is that Lehner should chime in only if the actual player involved in the incident (in this case, Patrick) supports him. Perhaps he does, but I haven't seen any indication of that yet. If Patrick does feel a grievance towards the Flyers for this, then Lehner is right, and I'm wrong. Either way however, he should not have mentioned Vigneault by name.
2) As to what yikes said about not objecting to the league being "tainted"-I don't object to it at all. I do object to Lehner calling out coaches by name. He shouldn't be doing that, regardless of his stance on the Flyers alleged medical malpractice.
3) Lastly, Kotkaniemi15, I was astounded that Wilson was let off the hook for bashing Buchnevich's cranium into the ice and rag-dolling Panarin afterwards, but the Rangers shouldn't have called out the head of the player safety department by name. A better way of saying it would be "We are severely disappointed with the league's decision" or some other vague, non-specific announcement, but you can't call out the guy in charge of the department by name, criticize him as not actually caring for the safety of players, and expect to NOT be fined (and again, I was on the Rangers' side all the way through). If Lehner had just called out the Flyers alone, that would be one thing, but don't bash Alain Vigneault on Twitter when you're a player. It comes off as very showy and obnoxious.
In short, I agree that Lehner raising awareness about mental health is good, that if he is supported by Patrick in this that his comments are just and that he has the right to say what he wants; I also agree that the league should be clean regardless of who raises the issue. I especially agree with the statement of Kotkaniemi15 "If no one can ever question the system, then it’s never going to change for the better." I don't agree that he would make a good NHLPA rep if he's calling out people by name, nor do I agree that he should be saying this IF Nolan Patrick is not (but again, if Patrick supports his coming forward with this, then I'm simply wrong).

No wars boss just civil discussion 🤝


The reason why I feel like Lehner is voicing it because he was a very low point when under the same issues that a majority of players face and some overcome and some don’t. The idea that Lehner taking Patrick’s story, I understand your issue with it but to play devils advocate;

Lehner was in a terrible spot and sees this young kid who he can both relate too and also sympathize with and then more so we’ve seen other players pass or have life long problems revolving around concussions and addiction to drugs from health issues. So lehner sees this young kid who very well he could be on track for a terrible future or god hope it doesn’t happen future life issues and legitimate life and death risks. Lehner is very outspoken and kinda “crazy” (I don’t mean that in a rude way but Lehner is very; loud, blunt, and kinda gives no ****s. I shouldn’t use the word crazy but I’ll use it for making my comment quicker). So lehner sees this poor kid struggling and goes off the handle. Its a hard subject to say what’s right or wrong, it’s very grey but I understand both your opinion and Lehners on being “the voice”.

conservativelightningfan91 I edited my comment late so just incase, want my clear comment captured haha

I guess I can see your point of not calling people out by name but for change to happen there has to be names

My favorite is one day he was a Trump supporter the next day he was kneeling. I don't care if I get flamed on here too be honest.
Lehner seems too be off the rocker again. Big mouth, overrated clown. He blames Buffalo for all his problems but Buffalo got him clean and pulled him out of HIS mess. That he caused. I can't stand people that bite the hand that feeds. Why can't the people that he has "stories" about come out and tell them?

I hear that, but in this specific case, how do we know Vigneault authorized giving Patrick the meds? Seems arbitrary to just throw his name in there unless he actually was involved in the decision-making (although I suppose Patrick would know if he was)

I hear that, but in this specific case, how do we know Vigneault authorized giving Patrick the meds? Seems arbitrary to just throw his name in there unless he actually was involved in the decision-making (although I suppose Patrick would know if he was)

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Let’s start talking about hockey shall we?

I'll be deleting a bunch of posts and issuing infractions as necessary. Please refer to the forum rules regarding politics.

If we can't be civil then bans will follow and I may have to lock this thread for the time being. Get back on topic please.

Feel for u. The cleanup of this last couple hours is worse than cleaning gas station washrooms 🤢

What’s a washroom is it a bathroom

everyone stop talking, the blue jays are winning

What’s a washroom is it a bathroom

Im a Yankees fan

Canada has submitted its first three players for the Olympics: Sidney Crosby, Connor McDavid, and Alex Pietrangelo.
https://www.nhl.com/news/crosby-mcdavid-pietrangelo-canada-2022-olympics-roster/c-326553618