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Created by: jimmyjets

Team: 2023-24 Winnipeg Jets

Initial Creation Date: May 21, 2023

Published: May 22, 2023

Salary Cap Mode: Basic

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Instead of taking multiple pieces from Montreal for PLD only to leave them with 5OA where the player is going to be pushed to the wing anyhow, we add our 1st so they trade down 12 spots, add PLD, unite the Barron brothers and as much as it pains me, we move out Ville to seal the deal. We draft Smith/Carlson as our 1c of the future.

We move Helle and DeMelo to the Sabres as they are ready to compete now, especially with the turmoil in TO.

We get 13OA (grab Dickerson there as a 2c of the future) we also get Krebs, jokiharju and ukka as they are excess to Buffalo but pieces we can use.

With the success in Seattle the Hawks decide to try to keep that group together. In return we get to unite the Reichel cousins and grab a rhd with potential in Rinzel. I feel like we might need to add something else… maybe Rash but I wasn’t sure.

Carolina loads up with 55 at $3M hit and unite the Lucius boys. We get back the cost certainty of Kotka that maybe has more or at worst can be our 3C of the future once Lowry ages our. We get Carolinas late 1st and another high potential RHD in Morrow.

LA needs a long term LHD option with some bite. A think Stanley can be that for them but maybe there’s a different trade or return that makes sense there.

Maybe we could even trade up with Vancouver by taking a bad contract so the Habs only trade back 6 picks.

Open to debating any of the trades.

I think this leaves well positioned on RHD going forward with Morrow, Rinzel, Bauer, salomonsson and at c with 5OA, 13oa, kotka filling out the middle. Perfetti, Rutger, Krebs, Ehlers, KFC, the Reichels.

With JMo, Samberg our top 4 lhd is solidified and maybe Chisholm is that 3d. Moving Stanley and Heinola suddenly makes us a bit thin with really just Kuzmin coming but maybe that Carolina pick is a lhd.

Free Agent Signings

RESERVE LIST	YEARS	CAP HIT
McGroarty, Rutger	3	$950,000
DiVincentiis, Domenic	3	$950,000
Morrow, Scott	3	$950,000
Rinzel, Sam	3	$950,000

RFA	YEARS	CAP HIT
Chisholm, Declan	2	$1,000,000
Stanley, Logan	2	$1,000,000
Stenlund, Kevin	2	$1,000,000
Samberg, Dylan	4	$3,000,000

UFA		YEARS	CAP HIT
Brossoit, Laurent		3	$3,000,000

Trades

WPG

2023 1st round pick (MTL)

MTL

Barron, Morgan [RFA Rights]
Dubois, Pierre-Luc [RFA Rights]
Heinola, Ville
2023 1st round pick (WPG)

WPG

Additional Details:

Helle Comrie is a tandom that works as Helle bridges to Levi. DeMelo is the ideal partner for Power as he’s a young d whisperer.

BUF

WPG

Reichel, Lukas
Rinzel, Sam [Reserve List]

CHI

Lambert, Brad

WPG

Kotkaniemi, Jesperi
Morrow, Scott [Reserve List]
2023 1st round pick (CAR)

CAR

Lucius, Chaz
Scheifele, Mark ($3,000,000 retained)

WPG

2023 2nd round pick (LAK)

LAK

Stanley, Logan

Buyouts

Blake Wheeler: $2,750,000

Retained Salary Transactions

Mark Scheifele: $3,000,000 (48.98%)

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2023
2024
2025

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

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ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
23	$82,500,000	$72,287,024	$0	$1,767,500	$10,212,976

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Connor, Kyle $7,142,857$7,142,857 LW UFA - 3	Kotkaniemi, Jesperi $4,820,000$4,820,000 C UFA - 7	Ehlers, Nikolaj $6,000,000$6,000,000 RW, LW M-NTC UFA - 2
Perfetti, Cole $894,167$894,167 ($850,000$850K) LW, C RFA - 1	Lowry, Adam $3,250,000$3,250,000 C M-NTC UFA - 3	Niederreiter, Nino $4,000,000$4,000,000 LW, RW UFA - 1
Reichel, Lukas $925,000$925,000 ($505,000$505K) LW, C RFA - 1	Krebs, Peyton $863,333$863,333 ($412,500$412K) C, LW RFA - 1	Reichel, Kristian $775,000$775,000 RW UFA - 1
Gustafsson, David $775,000$775,000 LW, C RFA - 1	Stenlund, Kevin $1,000,000$1,000,000 C, RW UFA - 1	Appleton, Mason $2,166,667$2,166,667 RW UFA - 2
Harkins, Jansen $850,000$850,000 LW UFA - 1

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Morrissey, Joshua $6,250,000$6,250,000 LD NMC UFA - 5	Jokiharju, Henri $2,500,000$2,500,000 RD RFA - 1	Brossoit, Laurent $3,000,000$3,000,000 G UFA - 1
Samberg, Dylan $3,000,000$3,000,000 LD RFA - 2	Pionk, Neal $5,875,000$5,875,000 RD M-NTC UFA - 2	Luukkonen, Ukko-Pekka $837,500$837,500 G RFA - 1
Dillon, Brenden $3,900,000$3,900,000 LD UFA - 1	Schmidt, Nate $5,950,000$5,950,000 LD/RD M-NTC UFA - 2
Capobianco, Kyle $762,500$762,500 LD UFA - 1	Chisholm, Declan $1,000,000$1,000,000 LD/RD RFA - 1

Taxi Squad
Rinzel, Sam $950,000$950,000 ($0$0$0$0) RD RFA
Morrow, Scott $950,000$950,000 ($0$0$0$0) RD RFA - 3
DiVincentiis, Domenic $950,000$950,000 ($0$0$0$0) G RFA - 3
McGroarty, Rutger $950,000$950,000 ($0$0$0$0) LW, C RFA

May 22, 2023 at 11:58 p.m.

Greysuits

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I think the Sabres would take that.

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May 22, 2023 at 11:59 p.m.

Caniac555

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What the heck are we doing here? I wouldn’t even give KK for that

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May 23, 2023 at 12:10 a.m.

OldNYIfan

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Los Angeles is going to give Winnipeg what is now the Kings' first pick in the 2023 draft (54th overall) for Logan Stanley? Three-goals-in-114-games Logan Stanley, only 19 of which were last season? LOGAN STANLEY?

I don't think so.

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May 23, 2023 at 12:10 a.m.

Caniac2000

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Canes decline easy. Kotkaniemi is STREETS better defensively and he had a 40 point season, Schiefele had 68. 25 point difference isn't worth the absolute abomination defensively Schiefele is. Not to mention, Kotkaniemi is signed long term and Schiefele isn't making KK more valuable. You can forget one of the best RD prospects around and a 1st. That's a comical joke.

May 23, 2023 at 12:15 a.m.

MisstheWhalers

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Carolina fans are gonna snap.. lol

That Sabres trade would be awesome, two boring players gone for a nice 1st round pick and other young promising talent would be super exciting.

This would all be nice but is unlikely.

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May 23, 2023 at 12:18 a.m.

mv21227

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Quoting: Caniac555

What the heck are we doing here? I wouldn’t even give KK for that

You wouldn’t trade KK for a C that had 1 less goal than KK had points and a great C prospect? I know Scheifele is bad defensively but that’s pretty absurd

May 23, 2023 at 12:27 a.m.

RicXX

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Not a chance Chicago does this, would have to add high picks, maybe if you added 5oa, with 19oa coming back, but even that's doubtful...

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May 23, 2023 at 12:48 a.m.

Campabee

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Not a snowballs chance in hell Montreal moves back 12 spots to get a bottom 6 guy, a useless LHD who won't even be on the Rocket's roster due to depth at that position and a player we can wait a year on who isn't even in the same skill teir as the guy we would select at 5th.

The deal will be something like Kidney + 2023 Florida 1st + Dvorak or Hoffman. Quit trying to make Montreal overpay for PLD just cause he is French and wants to play here

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May 23, 2023 at 12:56 a.m.

MontysPython

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I like Heinola, I like his potential and all. However, I think Harris, Matheson, Guhle, Xhekaj, Hutson, Engstrom are/will be better or very close to him. Fact is, Habs aren't really looking for an lhd even though they might like him.

May 23, 2023 at 1:00 a.m.

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If the Kings want Logan Stanley, they'll just take him off waivers in October.

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May 23, 2023 at 1:10 a.m.

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jimmyjets

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Quoting: Caniac555

What the heck are we doing here? I wouldn’t even give KK for that

I just thought it could work for both teams. Lucius isn’t a plug and a guy in a contract year coming off a 40 goal season for $3M has value to put a banner in the rafters. I thought people would balk at Morrow but didn’t anticipate how little you’d value Lucius as a right shot center that we drafted mid first round after he slid…. I viewed it as Scheif for next year and Lucius for the years after that. Don’t know if you’re mad because you went down 3-0 tonight if if there offer is that terrible?

I said I’d be willing to discuss as I thought Stan for a 2nd might get some pushback, the Chicago trade I feel like we’d need to add something but wasn’t sure what and I wondered about Morrow. Sounds like there is no interest in 55 so it’s all good.

May 23, 2023 at 1:14 a.m.

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jimmyjets

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Quoting: Caniac2000

Scheif had 42 goals and would have had way more points if his line mates could finish. He’s one of the leagues top players at generating slot passes so his assist numbers are way lower than they should be.

Lucius is a mid first round pick and no slouch but it’s all good. Thought it could make sense but you’re not interested.

May 23, 2023 at 1:16 a.m.

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jimmyjets

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Quoting: RicXX

Not a chance Chicago does this, would have to add high picks, maybe if you added 5oa, with 19oa coming back, but even that's doubtful...

Wow. That would be a lot. I figured the Jets would add but I was thinking one of our Russian prospects or something like that. I really like Lambert so probably just keep him.

May 23, 2023 at 1:19 a.m.

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jimmyjets

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Quoting: Campabee

You’re entitled to your opinion but that is an awful return for the Jets and they would be better served trading him at the deadline if that was the best they could do. Could be the 32nd pick overall….

May 23, 2023 at 1:23 a.m.

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Quoting: Mglgoalie33

I was looking at our prospects trying to figure out who the most valuable one we could move would be but I’ll have to go back to the drawing board. I thought moving back 12 picks he could be the clincher but there is no need for him, kind of like we have no need for Dvorak so I get it. I wouldn’t do McGroarty and I don’t think we have anyone else that would move the needle.

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May 23, 2023 at 2:21 a.m.

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MontysPython

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Quoting: jimmyjets

agreed, there's a piece missing to the trade that neither team has/is willing to move/wants

May 23, 2023 at 5:03 a.m.

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The CHI one is a non starter. I'm sure they would admire Lambert from their viewings whilst keeping an eye on our lads but they aren't prepared to give up Reichel who's shown he can hand NHL on a poor team to do so.

If you wanted Reichel, the chances are you'd have to overpay due to his value and timeline for CHI.

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May 23, 2023 at 9:29 a.m.

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Garak

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Reichel is easily worth more than Lambert all by himself, let alone sending Rinzel too. CHI passed on Lambert to draft Rinzel in the 2022 draft.

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May 23, 2023 at 12:59 p.m.

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Caniac2000

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Quoting: jimmyjets

It doesn't make sense for Carolina. He can't defend so he's not going to get ice time in Raleigh anyway. He doesn't help. Especially at this price. Lucius is fine, but Carolina already has a prospect name Lucius with NHL upside

May 23, 2023 at 9:59 p.m.

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jimmyjets

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Quoting: Caniac2000

I know, you guys drafted his brother, who was a much later pick. I thought there would be value in re-uniting them. You’re not interested though, got that loud a clear. Not just for this return but for any price it’s a pass on 55.

May 23, 2023 at 10:06 p.m.

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jimmyjets

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Quoting: Garak

Reichel is easily worth more than Lambert all by himself, let alone sending Rinzel too. CHI passed on Lambert to draft Rinzel in the 2022 draft.

The thing is, Lambert was projected to be a top 3 pick going into the season and then everyone passed on him, including us once, due to his attitude. Well having an entire league pass on you is a real wake up call turns out. He’s done everything asked including going to the WHL.

There was a hawks acgm where they asked on Lambert and what the price would be. I thought it would be fun to put the Reichel cousins together on a line.

Lambert’s upside is so huge that I wouldn’t do Rinzel for him straight up, and Rinzel was a pretty decent reach when you took him.

Anyhow, of 5 trades I got 1 agreed to and the other 4 were so insulting nobody even wanted to have a discussion about what a counter offer could be… despite me suggesting that was what I wanted to do.

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May 24, 2023 at 6:28 a.m.

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Garak

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Quoting: jimmyjets

Yeah. For years before the 2022 draft, it was thought that Lambert was so exceptional that he could go 1st overall. I certainly had interest in Lambert and I actually was hoping CHI would draft him with that very pick that they got Rinzel with. But, if they value Rinzel highly enough to draft him over Lambert in the first place, I don't think one single, albeit great, junior season on a stacked team is going to change that.

Also, although Rinzel wasn't on my radar at the draft last year, I looked back at all the rankings leading up to the draft to see exactly how BIG of a "reach" it was picking him. It seems most scouts had him ranked right there in the early 2nd round. So, he was already ranked as if he COULD slide into the late 1st round. I definitely wouldn't mind bringing Lambert over to CHI, but not for this.

I guess I didn't make a counter offer though, because I figure if you want this much then the gap is probably way too big.

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May 24, 2023 at 12:46 p.m.

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jimmyjets

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Quoting: Garak

I wanted us to draft Rinzel with our 2nd round pick but I do know he was a riser. It makes sense that if you just passed in a guy at the draft you wouldn’t typically trade the guy you chose over him.

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May 24, 2023 at 2:02 p.m.

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Garak

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Quoting: jimmyjets

Yeah. If anything, they'd do a 1 for 1 at the most. Rinzel may not be as shiny of a toy as an offensive forward with elite skating, but I am pretty high on him and I think CHI is too. He is a HUGE kid who also skates VERY well and his instincts are off the charts. Plus, he is going to Minnesota, who should be able to hone him into a very good defenseman.

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May 24, 2023 at 8:52 p.m.

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Quoting: jimmyjets

I did open discussion... add the 5oa pick and get the 19th in return... Chi is going to end up with the 11th OA anyways so... Van needs out of the hole they dug, and Chi is willing to help, but VAN will be paying, and paying alot

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