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(SJS / OTT) - Karlsson, Perron for Tierney, DeMelo, Norris, Balcers & picks

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Sep 13, 2018 at 4:03
#26
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Its official now. We're seeing a major change in the NHL.

As a GM, If you are not 100% certain to be at least willing to resign a pending UFA prior to his UFA season, trade him immediately. If you want to maximize value. Ottawa's over payment of Duchene last year was an outlier. Just like Edmontons trade of Hall was....

I don't think this is a bad trade for Ottawa. I don't think the Pacioretty trade was bad either. I think us fans have been so conditioned to think that any big name player who is about to be a pending UFA that if traded, the team trading that player can just go "I want all your best prospects, all your draft picks and 2 youngest best roster players". That was the NHL prior to the last lockout (it got less and less apparent up until that year but stuff like that happened in 80's and 90's) Stuff like that doesn't fly anymore. There aren't anymore "sweepstakes" trades.

There's also one thing people have to remind themselves of, MTL with Pacioretty and OTT with Karlsson were not regular cases. Both teams were trading from a major area of weakness. Take away the drama aspect of both scenarios and both teams would have gotten more. Maybe not three 1st's and a top prospect more, but more. Now much of both teams dramas, were the team's fault but considering how bad the press has been for both teams lately, they didn't do half bad.

Ottawa and Montreal both had players with 1 year remaining on their contracts but for all intensive purposes, it might as well have been June 30th 2019. Both guys were pending UFA's and weren't going to play a game for those teams and every team in the NHL knew this.
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Sep 13, 2018 at 4:04
#27
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The fact Dorion had to put in a condition to not get screwed over again and have Karlsson flipped to an eastern conference team is hilarious!

This just proves Dorion acknowledges Wilson screwed him over in the first place, and then he still proceeds to hand him arguably the best defensemen in the league. As a Habs fan who is not happy with the current situation of MTLs Management team, I realize it could be way worse with the owner and GM OTT currently has.
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Sep 13, 2018 at 4:09
#28
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Holy S***! San Jose now has a top 2 blueline in the league. I'm speechless. Hopefully the Sharks win the cup this season holy crap. I say San Jose wins but what a blockbuster.
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Sep 13, 2018 at 4:13
#29
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Well this finally Happened
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Sep 13, 2018 at 4:16
#30
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Quoting: F50marco
Its official now. We're seeing a major change in the NHL.

As a GM, If you are not 100% certain to be at least willing to resign a pending UFA prior to his UFA season, trade him immediately. If you want to maximize value. Ottawa's over payment of Duchene last year was an outlier. Just like Edmontons trade of Hall was....

I don't think this is a bad trade for Ottawa. I don't think the Pacioretty trade was bad either. I think us fans have been so conditioned to think that any big name player who is about to be a pending UFA that if traded, the team trading that player can just go "I want all your best prospects, all your draft picks and 2 youngest best roster players". That was the NHL prior to the last lockout (it got less and less apparent up until that year but stuff like that happened in 80's and 90's) Stuff like that doesn't fly anymore. There aren't anymore "sweepstakes" trades.

There's also one thing people have to remind themselves of, MTL with Pacioretty and OTT with Karlsson were not regular cases. Both teams were trading from a major area of weakness. Take away the drama aspect of both scenarios and both teams would have gotten more. Maybe not three 1st's and a top prospect more, but more. Now much of both teams dramas, were the team's fault but considering how bad the press has been for both teams lately, they didn't do half bad.

Ottawa and Montreal both had players with 1 year remaining on their contracts but for all intensive purposes, it might as well have been June 30th 2019. Both guys were pending UFA's and weren't going to play a game for those teams and every team in the NHL knew this.


You are right this could be a rental, however I think the Sharks have the cap space to sign him. This will have the potential to be super lopsided for either team or be a lose-lose. (See: Jagr to Washington)
Sep 13, 2018 at 4:23
#31
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Quoting: Hockeylover360
You are right this could be a rental, however I think the Sharks have the cap space to sign him. This will have the potential to be super lopsided for either team or be a lose-lose. (See: Jagr to Washington)


Sorry i think you misinterpreted. I said it as if Ottawa trading EK now was basically the same as just before deadline next year (Not quite obviously) when there contracts were almost done.... EK was not playing another game for Sens and they felt they had to trade him before the season started, so another artificial deadline not in they're favor.

Usually teams have the option to let a player run out his contact and be traded at the deadline or before free agency or something, Ottawa didn't even have that luxury.
Sep 13, 2018 at 4:26
#32
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Quoting: F50marco
Sorry i think you misinterpreted. I said it as if Ottawa trading EK now was basically the same as just before deadline next year (Not quite obviously) when there contracts were almost done.... EK was not playing another game for Sens and they felt they had to trade him before the season started, so another artificial deadline not in they're favor.

Usually teams have the option to let a player run out his contact and be traded at the deadline or before free agency or something, Ottawa didn't even have that luxury.


Yeah, the sens were tied to their hands.
Sep 13, 2018 at 4:36
#33
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I'm not going to lie, i'm surprised. I mean, there were a ton of rumours but i just couldn't see it actually happening. And now it has. SJS has one of the better defences in the NHL now. Ottawa really could have gotten more though.
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Sep 13, 2018 at 4:39
#34
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I cannot believe my eyes. Sens traded Francis Perron
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Sep 13, 2018 at 4:45
#35
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How can you be this bad... Thank god Montreal has Bergevin and not this clown
Sep 13, 2018 at 4:45
#36
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I mean, this is a huge return, no question. But it's not the type of return you should get for Erik Karlsson. They get a top prospect, a 1st, a 3C, and a few other pretty good pieces. But i still wouldn't say it's a good enough return for a player as good as EK.
Sep 13, 2018 at 4:46
#37
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Now watch how people react when Karlsson signs with Ottawa on July 1.
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Sep 13, 2018 at 4:51
#38
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Burns and Karlsson? They realize having an extra forward on the ice all the time is a risky strategy, right?
Sep 13, 2018 at 4:52
#39
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Quoting: oilersfan089
Burns and Karlsson? They realize having an extra forward on the ice all the time is a risky strategy, right?


You do realize that having one of the best defensemen in the world on the ice for 50 minutes a game is a very good idea, right?
Sep 13, 2018 at 5:03
#40
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Quoting: rangersandislesfan
Now watch how people react when Karlsson signs with Ottawa on July 1.


Lmao. You honestly think he's gonna go back to Ottawa?
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Sep 13, 2018 at 5:04
#41
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So much for Sens plans that thought they would a kings ransom once boobie Ryan was no longer a part of the trade.

I No Merkley, no Meier, no leblanc to the Sens in trade.
Sep 13, 2018 at 5:24
#42
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Quoting: OpaqueZoo
You do realize that having one of the best defensemen in the world on the ice for 50 minutes a game is a very good idea, right?


If your goal is to injure him, maybe. But Hedman wasn't involved with this trade, so I don't see what that has to do with anything anyway.
Sep 13, 2018 at 5:25
#43
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The San Jose Sharks: Keeper of two Norris Trophy winning defensemen in Brent Burns and Erik Karlsson, and STILL won't win a Stanley Cup.
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Sep 13, 2018 at 5:28
#44
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Quoting: DoctorBreakfast
Lmao. You honestly think he's gonna go back to Ottawa?


Of course i do ... and after they sign him on July 1, they're gonna trade him back to SJS for a more reasonable return shakes head

I was kidding about him returning to Ottawa ... it would be crazy if he did but he won't.
Sep 13, 2018 at 5:37
#45
Rhianna gets it
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I really don't see an impact player coming back. How you couldn't get one of their top 3 prospects is pretty baffling. Would've been nice for once to go for a couple quality players instead of lot's of maybes. The pipeline was good to start with it's sad that this trade didn't really add to it lol. Maybe a Dman... maybe lol
Sep 13, 2018 at 5:40
#46
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Meh not the type of return i expected for the Sens but to be honest it's better than getting Shea Weber back.
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Sep 13, 2018 at 5:58
#47
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This literally looks like an armchair-GM trade. What an absolute mess
Sep 13, 2018 at 6:00
#48
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Quoting: Babcock_4_Mayor
This literally looks like an armchair-GM trade. What an absolute mess


Honestly it's worse than many of the AGM EK trades were.
Sep 13, 2018 at 6:24
#49
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Seguin re-signing with Dallas is the 2nd biggest news of the day in the NHL lol.
Sep 13, 2018 at 6:36
#50
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yeah you could see this coming as it's the start of training camp going on.
I honestly don't think it's bad value for Ottawa. I know people will hate on it. But they got a former 1st round pick, A 1st round pick, and 2 second round picks, one that might turn to a 1st.
Odds are high that will help them with a rebuild.
Karlsson was leaving, everyone knew that. At least they got something.
For SJS I would hope they have a contract already worked out. If EK decides to up and leave at the end of the year, everyone will say the same thing, boy did they get burned.
SJS will get to see if EK is reasonable on his demands. If he comes out like 13 mil SJS sharks could already be handcuffed, considering all the picks they gave up to get him.
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