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(ARI/NYI) - Future Considerations for Ladd, 2021 2nd, 2022 2nd, 2023 conditional 3rd

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Jul. 17, 2021 at 4:45 p.m.
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This is a W for Arizona. Only because they're a poverty franchise in need of draft picks.
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Jul. 17, 2021 at 4:45 p.m.
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what are the conditions?
Jul. 17, 2021 at 4:45 p.m.
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It would be a lot easier to cheer for them if they didn’t have the worst ownership in the league.


At the same time you're looking at today's Coyotes through the lens of every mistake the previous ownership/management made.

Last year's draft shenanigans are about the only indictment on the current ownership. Pretty questionable things in regards to the draft but if the long-term goal is Houston, this is the right kind of move to make for the Coyotes.
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Jul. 17, 2021 at 4:47 p.m.
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Quoting: BeterChiarelli
At the same time you're looking at today's Coyotes through the lens of every mistake the previous ownership/management made.

Last year's draft shenanigans are about the only indictment on the current ownership. Pretty questionable things in regards to the draft but if the long-term goal is Houston, this is the right kind of move to make for the Coyotes.


Did you not see the articles about the absolute mess that franchise is right now? It was a big story during the off-season last summer/fall.
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Jul. 17, 2021 at 4:47 p.m.
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Surprisingly low price for taking on Ladd's contract. Considering that Carolina got pick #13 for taking on the Marleau buyout, this is a really good deal for the Isles.
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Jul. 17, 2021 at 4:47 p.m.
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Quoting: Kotkaniemi15
Did you not see the articles about the absolute mess that franchise is right now? It was a big story during the off-season last summer/fall.


Clearly not. Got a link?
Jul. 17, 2021 at 4:52 p.m.
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Getting rid of Lad and not having to give up a 1st is a W for the Isles.
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Jul. 17, 2021 at 4:53 p.m.
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you got traded lol
Jul. 17, 2021 at 5:04 p.m.
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Does AZ need to pay the 3million signing bonus or just the $1million base salary?
Jul. 17, 2021 at 5:05 p.m.
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Dumping Ladd should cost a low 1st.

In some drafts, the value of the 3 picks that Arizona is getting would be roughly equal to the value of a low 1st.

The 1 game that Andrew Ladd plays in 2022/2023 and that would clinch the 3rd round pick for Arizona will likely be Ladd's last game in his NHL career.



The legend of Andrew Ladd lives on.

I voted fair deal smile
Jul. 17, 2021 at 5:09 p.m.
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So conditional picks be back, thats cool
Jul. 17, 2021 at 5:12 p.m.
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Alright the one-game-played condition is hilarious.

I think the Islanders did pretty well given the circumstances.
Jul. 17, 2021 at 5:18 p.m.
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2 2nd and a possible 3rd for only a little over 4 mil not bad for yotes, fair deal.
Jul. 17, 2021 at 5:28 p.m.
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Dub for Isles to clear that cap.

TB shouldn't have to pay a thing to move TJ after this one. His cap hit is smaller and unlike Ladd he's actually an NHL level player.
Jul. 17, 2021 at 5:29 p.m.
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Lamoriello got fleeced lol


Ladd should have cost a 1st + 2nd to move. Two late 2nds and a 3rd is great for the isles
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Jul. 17, 2021 at 5:30 p.m.
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That's a lot for 2 years of Ladd. Idk how else we were going to get cap space, though, lol

Also, why is the pick transferred if Ladd plays? Shouldn't it be if he doesn't play?
Jul. 17, 2021 at 5:32 p.m.
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well, no, that's still the whole point. you really think Lou Lamoriello wanted to burn 3 draft picks on dumping Andrew Ladd's contract? hell no. he had to because that's the reality of the salary cap world.

sure, he gets the cap space now to sign Sorokin/Beauviller/Pelech, but he still had to burn assets to do it.

again, to re-iterate, *cap space is king* nowadays.


Didn't cost him too much. Net loss of a conditional 2nd and 3rd to clear up 11 mil. That's a lot less than I would have expected.
Jul. 17, 2021 at 5:50 p.m.
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Quoting: BeterChiarelli
At the same time you're looking at today's Coyotes through the lens of every mistake the previous ownership/management made.

Last year's draft shenanigans are about the only indictment on the current ownership. Pretty questionable things in regards to the draft but if the long-term goal is Houston, this is the right kind of move to make for the Coyotes.


Tell me pls what is behind those Houston jokes. I am unaware of that news.
Jul. 17, 2021 at 6:06 p.m.
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Just understood why the conditional 3rd round pick was in for. My best guess is that if Ladd retires July 2nd 2022 he's getting his $3mil singing bonus and he's leaving only $1mil on the table and Arizona is off the hook for the last year cap wise
Jul. 17, 2021 at 6:17 p.m.
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Quoting: sensonfire
Dumping Ladd should cost a low 1st.

In some drafts, the value of the 3 picks that Arizona is getting would be roughly equal to the value of a low 1st.

The 1 game that Andrew Ladd plays in 2022/2023 and that would clinch the 3rd round pick for Arizona will likely be Ladd's last game in his NHL career.



The legend of Andrew Ladd lives on.

I voted fair deal smile


Quoting: mondo
Alright the one-game-played condition is hilarious.

I think the Islanders did pretty well given the circumstances.


Quoting: rangersandislesfan
That's a lot for 2 years of Ladd. Idk how else we were going to get cap space, though, lol

Also, why is the pick transferred if Ladd plays? Shouldn't it be if he doesn't play?


Quoting: capfriendlyaccount
Didn't cost him too much. Net loss of a conditional 2nd and 3rd to clear up 11 mil. That's a lot less than I would have expected.


Just understood why the conditional 3rd round pick was in for. My best guess is that if Ladd retires July 2nd 2022 he's getting his $3mil singing bonus and he's leaving only $1mil on the table and Arizona is off the hook for the last year cap wise
Jul. 17, 2021 at 6:21 p.m.
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Quoting: Joe_La_Garnotte
Just understood why the conditional 3rd round pick was in for. My best guess is that if Ladd retires July 2nd 2022 he's getting his $3mil singing bonus and he's leaving only $1mil on the table and Arizona is off the hook for the last year cap wise


Ah okay. So I guess it's one game NHL or AHL.
This move turns to an Arizona W if Ladd suddenly has a career ending injury wink
Jul. 17, 2021 at 6:24 p.m.
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Quoting: rangersandislesfan
That's a lot for 2 years of Ladd. Idk how else we were going to get cap space, though, lol

Also, why is the pick transferred if Ladd plays? Shouldn't it be if he doesn't play?


I thought It was going to cost a 1st rd pick +wilde. We gave up 2 late 2nd rd picks...
Jul. 17, 2021 at 6:25 p.m.
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Ah okay. So I guess it's one game NHL or AHL.
This move turns to an Arizona W if Ladd suddenly has a career ending injury wink


Exactly same thing he's off the books
Jul. 17, 2021 at 6:42 p.m.
#49
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Quoting: Kotkaniemi15
I think you’ve got the wrong idea here. The Islanders just cleared $15 million for a 2nd and a 3rd round pick over the last 2 days. (Plus swapping Leddy/Panik, but this is still a massive W for the Isles)


Yeah people are getting mad at Lou but this was really smart. He is rlly amazing
Jul. 17, 2021 at 7:12 p.m.
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Quoting: islandersfan14
Yeah people are getting mad at Lou but this was really smart. He is rlly amazing


Well he’s been amazing this off-season. Not so much last year.
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