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Warren Foegele?

As much as people would whine on this site it would easily be a similar offer to what timo meier is going for.

Are you trying to start a riot????

Anderson will go for more than he's worth and Meier might go for less than he's worth but even then Meier should go for more. Might be like 2 1st for Anderson (imo a 1st+a 3rd is the max you offer if you really want him) and at least two 1sts and a 2nd for Meier.

Dahlen

At sub 3 million getting the equivalent of 2 1sts for Anderson isnt hard(if lebrun is tp be believed he already is getting that)

Perennial 25 goal pace (most of which are 5 on 5) dont grow on trees. Guys like that make 6 +million. Getting one for 2.75 million is a major get.

He's scored 20 once in his Career and that was 4 years ago. Might throw you something but it wouldn't be 2 1sts that's for sure.

I don't know what LeBrun said, but I did see what Dreger said, and what he was saying is what the ask would be. With the retention, he would easily get two firsts but that's not going to happen. Hughes wants that without.

Key word in what you said is pace, and yes someone might pay up for him because of his size speed and scoring ability. He's still a top 9 forward though. So he would be going for more, he's not a 6m+ because he tops out at 50 points. So, best you can say is he's not overpaid, because of his scoring prowess and being a rare type of player. Reality is he's more of a 4.5m player, and that's if his production is going to go back up.

Meier is all that and more, he's a legit top 6 player, 2 years younger, he's a 30G+ scorer (not just by pace) and PPG. He could also drive his own plays. So if he's available for around the same, might as well get him even if it's just for a run.

Meier himself is only worth like 3-3.5 1sts imo if he was signed at 8.5m and had same term as Anderson. I don't think the difference between the two is just a 1st and some.

Anderson: a 1st
12M+ retained: 2x1st

Total: 3x1st

In the real world, the price for Hagel was 2x1st.
In the real world, Toronto paid a high 1st to Carolina so they would pay his $6M capdump.

If you want to discuss how in the lalaland in your head Anderson iSnT wOrTh AnYtHiNg, go ahead and make a fool of yourself.

In reality, Hugues publicly stated he doesn't want to retain salary and will gladly keep Anderson if they don't get a 1st + un return. Your opinion doesn't matter.

Perennial doesn't that mean annually? Considering he's done it once in 7 full seasons and topped at 47 points that year yeah if Hughes was offered 2 firsts especially without retention and didn't take it should be immediately fired. Even if you go per 82 it 21 ,but the issue with that is he perennially misses a dozen or so games per year.

Acquiring team would pay zero for salary retention because he is overpaid. At $2.75m it’s a more reasonable figure, so he would get positive value. Maybe 2nd and roster filler.

Is he still in the league?

That was the same moron who admitted his model didnt work last year

Josh is a 3rd line player playing in the top 6 in MTL making 2nd line player money, at 2.75, per his cap would be in line with the 3rd line player he is and would worth a 2nd + prospect or 2x2nd, MTL MIGHT even be able to get a 1st from a top team were the pick would end up 25-32.

Nobody is retaining that much for that long. Regardless of how you feel about him or his contract, there will be no retention involved.
(I think) the longest retention was Kessel at 15% ($1.2M) for 6/7 years. OEL is at 12% for 5 years.
Retaining 50% is unheard of and (IMO) it's not worth locking up a retention slot for the sake of $1M or less.

If you don't believe he's worth the price to acquire at his full cap hit, he's not worth considering.

They'd 100% be able to weasel a first out of a team because Anderson is a "hard hitting power forward" and media pundits constantly go to bat to raise the price on guys like him.

Asking for a return similar to Meier is just hilarious.

Not the first time I've seen one of these and I don't understand why people pay any attention to them.
You can't determine a player's market value simply by plugging some stats into a calculator.

2 1sts for Hagel was a steep price, and the Bolts did to help them navigate the flat cap for 2.5 years. The retention is excessive but at 2..75-3.5m he's getting only 2 1sts. You're right though that Hughes won't retain anything and he might find a desperate GM. Still doesn't mean that's what Anderson is worth. 3 1sts would get you an impact player who is PPG, so thats probably 20-25Gs + 60-65As or 30-40Gs + 40-50As.

With Meier available there should be no circumstance this year where someone pays 3 1sts for Anderson.

What what. How?

Have you seen any data, metrics, models, anything that have shown anything different?

Cost certainty in a cap world is worth a lot.

Meier since the start of the 19-20 season only has 6 more ES goals than Anderson. Is that worth 6-7 more million per season?

Finding pp guys is easy. Finding producive ES goal scorers is very difficult.