Absolutely not lol

Maybe to NY he's worth it because they've invested a lot into him but he's not worth it to Chicago.

Is he worth a top 50 pick? Thats the question.

WE WON"T TRADE KAKKO......OUR RECORD IS MUCH BETTER WITH HIM IN THE LINEUP THAN WHEN HE ISN'T IN THE LINEUP

I don't even see that...at some point, after 5 seasons with this season being his worst at .28ppg, Drury would love for a top 10 pick to land in his hands to trade Kaapo's RFA rights this summer. He can do a lot more on the trade market with a top 10 pick than he can with Kaapo.

No

I can see a 1st in the 20-32 range but not top 10

This draft after top 10 really aint over the top

Why are you yelling?

for 2025 probably not worth it. But interestingly I think if you asked the question as "who is more likely to breakout or say hit 60 pts, Kakko or the guy available at 10th in 2024" that might be a harder answer than ppl realize.

The average 10th overall pick isnt actually all that good, and a lot of people have discussed how this years class might be worse than average. So his trade value probably doesnt warrant it simply because I think you could get more for 10th overall this year than Kakko, but incidentally I might bet on Kakko getting to top six quality more than the guy at 10.

Absolutely not.

I'd rather go completely off the rebuild plan and sign a bunch of big ticket free agents with term than trade a top 10 pick for Kakko. haha

No he isn't.

At this point in his career Kaako has had similar career success to Nail Yakupov who was traded for a 3rd round pick (when he was still younger than Kaako is now). Now I'm not saying Kaako is as bad as Yakupov, he obviously isn't. But expecting to get a 1st round pick at all back for Kaako may be unrealistic

The thing is that even though Kakkos point production is disappointing, he's actually overall good player unlike Yakupov, without any attitude problems. He's possession monster and like Rangers' best defensive forward. They have been a lot better team with Kakko in roster than they were, when he was ínjured. Will get a first easily, but not top10.

Definitely not. Wouldn't give up a 1st for him period.

I'm not the biggest fan of the argument "the average 10th overall pick isnt actually that good" when calling draft slot value. If you wanna use it to say that the draft is a total crapshoot, then I'll agree with that. But you can constantly find guys of high value in the teens, just because whoever picks at 10 makes a mistake doesnt mean that the 10th overall pick isnt valuable.

Probably not but Drury was able to get a 1st from the Stars for Lundvkist who still isn’t any good lol

lol what

I agree, saying the "10th overall pick isn't actually that good" is a bit of an ignorant statement. excluding 2023 (because it's too early to tell), the 10th OA picks from the previous 10 drafts are:
Pavel Mintyukov (already a fantastic NHL dman in his first season)
Tyler Boucher (has yet to play in the NHL)
Cole Perfetti (already a quality NHL player on pace for 41 points with limited ice time in Winnipeg)
Vasily Podkolzin (can't seem to consistently stay in the League)
Evan Bouchard (already a point per game #1 dman)
Owen Tippet (very good top 6 winger on pace for over 30 goals)
Tyson Jost (may end up being a bust)
Mikko Rantanen (elite top line forward)
Nick Ritchie (couldn't stay in the league)
Valerie Nichushkin (2-way winger that's over a point per game, scoring at a 40 goal pace)

The average 10th overall pick is actually quite good, and there are many elite players selected in the 10-30 range almost every single season.

I wouldn't give up the Chicago 2nd round pick for kakko.

So i understand your premise and I dont disagree, but if we're talking strictly in terms of percentages this is a little mis leading imo. you are absolutely correct that there are good players every year in that range, even in bad draft years. My issue here is it's mostly in hindsight. if you aggregated the drafts from 2010-2020, Id hazard a guess that something like 2 or 3 guys on average are high value (i admit this term is subjective so we may disagree there).

That's not bad considering the range but the other issue here is development. Some of these players may be destined for it cause they simply dropped too far in the draft for dumb reasons. But there are guys who wound up turning into high value players because their development went well. And my argument would be that a good chunk of player development ends up being out of the control of the drafting team. Personality, work ethic, habits, off ice problems etc. These are not only hard to account for but theres nothing you can do about it.

The value in 10th overall is that in theory you should get the 10th most valuable player in that draft class. That seldom happens though. And the fact is even the best scouting teams are only like 5% more sure than the rest of the league on who that guy is going to be. Thats why it ends up being a crapshoot.

how is it also not too early to tell on mintyukov? hes played one year. My exact words were "it isn't all that good" not "it sucks". It's not ignorant to suggest that this pick may be less valuable than perceived. I probably should have phrased it better, that's on me.

No,

Shortening quote.

Pointing out Nichuskin who started producing in his D+9 season after spending time in NHL Stars, AHL Stars and even KHL. Then he went to Avs and boom, he's legitimate top line winger. Tippett, the same thing, D+6 season was first productive season, after change of scenery. Kakko could also use a change of scenery.

Perfetti is having similar path as Kakko, Kakko did 40 points last season with much less PP time. Though I also believe Perfetti won't have same kinda slump next season as Kakko is having right now.

Rantanen and Bouchard are the only elite players in this list right now. And they got it going quite soon after the draft, just learning the game in AHL for 1-2 seasons, which might have been good path for Kakko also.

So yeah, average 10th pick haven't been that good. And no one would be pointing out Kakko as a bust right now, if he'd been 10th ovr pick. Now the 2nd ovr status and maybe some mistakes in development is giving people wrong kind of idea of him as a player.



Still standing behind this opinion.

@NYR1983

And there you go