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2021-22 NHL Playoffs Discussion Thread #2 - Free Connor Ingram

May 10, 2022 at 9:26 a.m.
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Stay Classy Trashville


i think the avs have a broom for them
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May 10, 2022 at 9:26 a.m.
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Interesting bit from Eric Engels.

Wright could potentially be sent back to Jr to make up for his lost season (due to the pandemic).
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May 10, 2022 at 9:38 a.m.
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I feel his shutdown pair would be Muzzin-Brodie and to be honest that pairing has been pretty good despite Muzzin not being 100%

Nylander would be moved for a more 2-way minded player. Sandin I feel he would be fine with as the Sandin-Liligren pairing produced very good results at both ends and Trotz would probs make them the third pairing.

But yeah good chunk of 1sts would be gone.


I don’t think it’ll happen. But if they lose it’s a legit possibility, and one that would change the leafs a lot.
May 10, 2022 at 9:50 a.m.
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When they call the book and your team is more undisciplined, then the refs really need to put the whistles away and stop controlling the game because the penalties are too one-sided and they're basically just handing one team the game, but when you cheer for the more disciplined team, then the refs need to call every infraction they see.


i just dont want marginal stuff or really surplus penalties deciding games/series. what happens when games 1-4 are called tight as heck, every little infraction is whistled and then games 5-7 is a FFA? i feel like it could honestly go that way.

bruins hurricanes shouldnt be 2-2 series. carolina has dominated 5v5 play and like i said i dont think penalties should decide a series. carolina should really but up 3-1 in the series right now. bruins had no business winning game 4 and they likely wont win game 5.
May 10, 2022 at 9:50 a.m.
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That Bennet hit last night looked like it was mostly Bennet's own stick hitting him in the face, didn't look 2 dirty, Bennet was low... Oshie is big as well.
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May 10, 2022 at 9:53 a.m.
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That Bennet hit last night looked like it was mostly Bennet's own stick hitting him in the face, didn't look 2 dirty, Bennet was low... Oshie is big as well.


He has been excellent this playoffs,
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May 10, 2022 at 9:54 a.m.
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Quoting: KSIxSKULLS
Interesting bit from Eric Engels.

Wright could potentially be sent back to Jr to make up for his lost season (due to the pandemic).


What this really means;

“If Arizona wins the lottery I’m going to play infront of more people in Canada.”, lmao.

He’s just covering his ass for when, not if, Arizona wins he doesn’t have to play with Andrew Ladd🐐
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May 10, 2022 at 10:26 a.m.
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He has been excellent this playoffs,


The caps are in it! And I think I remember saying that for the caps to win Oshie and Wilson need to go off. I had forgotten about mantha...but hey lol
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May 10, 2022 at 10:36 a.m.
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We’ll never be happy with officiating will we? When they call the book we complain they call too much/the penalties are too one sided, when they try and equalize the calls,we complain they’re calling stuff that shouldn’t be called and of course when they call nothing, no one’s happy


At the end of the day no one is going to be happy with the refs, even if they called a perfect game. Therefore, all you can do is accept the calls and do something about. Get called on a penalty? Kill it. Get rewarded a powerplay? Capitalize on. Scoring on a powerplay can give you just as much momentum as killings a penalty can. Never understood when people say it can dictate the game. If the team does what their suppose to and executes there isn't many complaints.
May 10, 2022 at 10:40 a.m.
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May 10, 2022 at 10:41 a.m.
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How is Andersen not a finalist?
May 10, 2022 at 10:42 a.m.
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How is Andersen not a finalist?


I know. Craig Anderson was a beast and he’s 40 years old!
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May 10, 2022 at 10:49 a.m.
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How is Andersen not a finalist?


Because Saros I guess? Idk I also thought Sorokin was very good this year, probably more deserving even than Markstrom, being on a horrible team comparably. Varlamov is pretty good and he struggled with that team, also on a lot of GSVA metrics Sorokin is #2 behind Shesterkin.
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May 10, 2022 at 10:51 a.m.
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I know. Craig Anderson was a beast and he’s 40 years old!


He actually wasn't bad, but definitely not great and with an under .900 save percentage still managed to go 17-12-2. sabres are great with him in net, imagine a good goalie though.
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May 10, 2022 at 11:07 a.m.
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How is Andersen not a finalist?


Most likely the voters saying that his season was the product of the defense in front of him. As soon as Nedeljovic left, his save percentage dropped by 31 points, from .932 to .901, and Mrazek had a similar (35 points) fall from .923 to .888, and as soon as Andersen came into Carolina, he went from .895 to .922, so there's the perception that the Hurricanes' defense makes goaltenders' jobs easier, whereas someone like Saros had to carry Nashville to a playoff spot
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May 10, 2022 at 11:17 a.m.
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How is Andersen not a finalist? Igor gonna win either way but still
May 10, 2022 at 11:22 a.m.
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Cant believe I picked the Rags


I even picked them in my bracket. I did not see this coming
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May 10, 2022 at 11:23 a.m.
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Quoting: Hurricanes_WPG
Most likely the voters saying that his season was the product of the defense in front of him. As soon as Nedeljovic left, his save percentage dropped by 31 points, from .932 to .901, and Mrazek had a similar (35 points) fall from .923 to .888, and as soon as Andersen came into Carolina, he went from .895 to .922, so there's the perception that the Hurricanes' defense makes goaltenders' jobs easier, whereas someone like Saros had to carry Nashville to a playoff spot


I think it is more to do with Raanta being a starting caliber goalie himself.
May 10, 2022 at 11:33 a.m.
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Because Saros I guess? Idk I also thought Sorokin was very good this year, probably more deserving even than Markstrom, being on a horrible team comparably. Varlamov is pretty good and he struggled with that team, also on a lot of GSVA metrics Sorokin is #2 behind Shesterkin.


Saros should be there no question, Andersen should be there instead of Markström though.

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Most likely the voters saying that his season was the product of the defense in front of him. As soon as Nedeljovic left, his save percentage dropped by 31 points, from .932 to .901, and Mrazek had a similar (35 points) fall from .923 to .888, and as soon as Andersen came into Carolina, he went from .895 to .922, so there's the perception that the Hurricanes' defense makes goaltenders' jobs easier, whereas someone like Saros had to carry Nashville to a playoff spot


That's a narrative I can't really understand. By the logic of the people saying this every Goalie on a good team would automatically be better than a Goalie on a bad team just because of the defense in from of him. Andersen wasn't good last year but that's just a down year, that happens. 19/20 he was average I'd say, but he was very good in the seasons prior. Carolina also lost their best D-man (slightly ahead of Slavin imo) and got a pure offense, no defense guy in DeAngelo as the replacement. Looking at his stats, Andersen should be in the Top 3:

(Among Goalies with 30 or more games.)

.922 SV% (3rd)

27.8 GSAx (3rd)

0.543 GSAx/60 (2nd)

0.54 GAA better than expected (2nd)

4.64 WAR (3rd)

I don't rely on advanced analytics this much normally, but, in my opinion, they are the best way to judge a Goaltender. Stats like shutouts, GAA, etc. are irrelevant.
May 10, 2022 at 11:54 a.m.
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Saros should be there no question, Andersen should be there instead of Markström though.



That's a narrative I can't really understand. By the logic of the people saying this every Goalie on a good team would automatically be better than a Goalie on a bad team just because of the defense in from of him. Andersen wasn't good last year but that's just a down year, that happens. 19/20 he was average I'd say, but he was very good in the seasons prior. Carolina also lost their best D-man (slightly ahead of Slavin imo) and got a pure offense, no defense guy in DeAngelo as the replacement. Looking at his stats, Andersen should be in the Top 3:

(Among Goalies with 30 or more games.)

.922 SV% (3rd)

27.8 GSAx (3rd)

0.543 GSAx/60 (2nd)

0.54 GAA better than expected (2nd)

4.64 WAR (3rd)

I don't rely on advanced analytics this much normally, but, in my opinion, they are the best way to judge a Goaltender. Stats like shutouts, GAA, etc. are irrelevant.


I would have done Sorokin, Saros, Shesterkin but that's personal opinion.
May 10, 2022 at 11:55 a.m.
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Best player in the playoffs is Cale Makar? Honestly if he continues like he is now, could be hard but I'd be willing to call Cale Makar the best player on Colorado, and possibly the best player in the league. Top 3 maybe.
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May 10, 2022 at 12:07 p.m.
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Best player in the playoffs is Cale Makar? Honestly if he continues like he is now, could be hard but I'd be willing to call Cale Makar the best player on Colorado, and possibly the best player in the league. Top 3 maybe.


Makar > MacKinnon imo

For sure the best skater in the playoffs so far. Oettinger is up there too but its tough to judge a skater vs goalie
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May 10, 2022 at 12:18 p.m.
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That Bennet hit last night looked like it was mostly Bennet's own stick hitting him in the face, didn't look 2 dirty, Bennet was low... Oshie is big as well.


I didn't really get the outrage over this, for the reasons you mentioned.
To me it just looked like a very heavy open ice hit.
Maybe I'm missing smthn idk
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May 10, 2022 at 12:28 p.m.
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May 10, 2022 at 12:31 p.m.
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I didn't really get the outrage over this, for the reasons you mentioned.
To me it just looked like a very heavy open ice hit.
Maybe I'm missing smthn idk


Yup its similar to Hall's hit on MacKinnon earlier this season. MacKinnon's own stick hit him in the face which caused most of the damage. I think Hall got a minor penalty for interference and no suspension (I dont think the hit was that late or anything, it was just an unfortunate outcome since MacKinnon left the game so I guess the refs felt they needed to call something - not that I agree with it)
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