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Zegres holtz misc

Created by: tyshow89
Team: 2023-24 Montreal Canadiens
Initial Creation Date: Sep. 17, 2023
Published: Sep. 17, 2023
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Description
Couple of different trades, I could see the Habs interested in.. ( definitely not all of them)
Roster is mid/ late season..although
Hutson and reinbacher take D spots in a year/ maybe to end the year.
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
8$7,900,000
Trades
1.
MTL
  1. Zegras, Trevor [RFA Rights]
ANA
  1. Harris, Jordan
  2. Mesar, Filip
  3. Primeau, Cayden
  4. Ylönen, Jesse
  5. 2024 1st round pick (MTL)
  6. 2025 2nd round pick (PIT)
2.
MTL
  1. Holtz, Alexander
  2. Vanecek, Vitek
  3. 2025 1st round pick (NJD)
NJD
  1. Anderson, Josh
  2. DeSmith, Casey
  3. 2025 4th round pick (DET)
3.
MTL
  1. 2024 2nd round pick (MTL)
4.
MTL
  1. Bourgault, Xavier
  2. Campbell, Jack
  3. 2024 1st round pick (EDM)
  4. 2024 2nd round pick (EDM)
EDM
5.
MTL
    Future considerations
    CHI
    1. Vanecek, Vitek
    2. 2024 3rd round pick (MIN)
    6.
    MTL
    1. 2024 1st round pick (NYR)
    7.
    MTL
    1. 2024 2nd round pick (OTT)
    OTT
    1. Kovacevic, Johnathan
    2. 2025 3rd round pick (MTL)
    Buyouts
    Retained Salary Transactions
    DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
    2024
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    2025
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    2026
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    ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
    22$83,500,000$68,922,916$1,170,000$5,160,000$14,577,084
    Left WingCentreRight Wing
    $7,900,000$7,900,000
    C, LW
    RFA - 3
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $7,875,000$7,875,000
    C
    UFA - 7
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $7,850,000$7,850,000
    LW, RW
    UFA - 8
    Logo of the New Jersey Devils
    $894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
    RW, LW
    RFA - 2
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $3,362,500$3,362,500
    C, RW
    RFA - 3
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $6,500,000$6,500,000
    RW, LW
    M-NTC, NMC
    UFA - 4
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $950,000$950,000 (Performance Bonus$3,500,000$4M)
    RW, LW
    RFA - 2
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $2,900,000$2,900,000
    C, LW
    RFA - 4
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $835,000$835,000 (Performance Bonus$57,500$58K)
    LW, RW
    RFA - 3
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $812,500$812,500
    LW, RW
    UFA - 2
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $775,000$775,000
    C, LW
    RFA - 1
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $1,100,000$1,100,000
    LW, RW
    RFA - 2
    Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $4,875,000$4,875,000
    LD
    M-NTC
    UFA - 3
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$420,000$420K)
    LD/RD
    RFA - 2
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $1,000,000$1,000,000
    G
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $828,333$828,333
    LD/RD
    RFA - 1
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$275,000$275K)
    RD
    RFA - 1
    Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
    $5,000,000$5,000,000
    G
    M-NTC
    UFA - 4
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $867,500$867,500 (Performance Bonus$57,500$58K)
    LD
    RFA - 2
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $950,000$950,000
    RD
    RFA - 1
    ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $762,500$762,500
    RD
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $10,500,000$10,500,000
    G
    NMC
    UFA - 3
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $3,400,000$3,400,000
    RW, LW
    UFA - 2

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    Sep. 17, 2023 at 9:29 p.m.
    #1
    n.1 Topias Vilen fan
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    I think that Anderson trade is grounds enough to sue for emotional duress. Anderson is a negative asset. You could not pay the Devils to take him
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    Sep. 17, 2023 at 9:32 p.m.
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    Lol this is funny
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    Sep. 17, 2023 at 9:34 p.m.
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    Jersey says no, take out Vanecek, Holts, and lower the 1st to a 7th.

    Devils still probably say no
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    Sep. 17, 2023 at 9:36 p.m.
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    Josh Anderson does not get that, neither does Dvorak
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    Sep. 17, 2023 at 9:41 p.m.
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    Anaheim doesn't do this.
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    Sep. 17, 2023 at 9:45 p.m.
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    Anaheim easily passes, like the other teams
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    Sep. 17, 2023 at 9:48 p.m.
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    Yeah, you have clearly proven you don’t know anything about player value
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    Sep. 17, 2023 at 9:48 p.m.
    #8
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    This has to be a troll because not a single one of these trades would be accepted by the team not named Montreal other than maybeeeeee the EDM trade
    Sep. 17, 2023 at 9:49 p.m.
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    Quoting: GMDannyB
    This has to be a troll because not a single one of these trades would be accepted by the team not named Montreal other than maybeeeeee the EDM trade

    I mean Chicago jumps on that
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    Sep. 17, 2023 at 9:50 p.m.
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    Quoting: GuyGuyGuy
    I mean Chicago jumps on that


    Yeah but I was going off the assumption the original trade to get Vanacek never happens lol.
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    Sep. 17, 2023 at 9:51 p.m.
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    Zegras is going to be the Ducks next franchise guy (along with Carlsson), so the ask is going to be more substantial than what you've put forward.
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    Sep. 17, 2023 at 9:56 p.m.
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    Quoting: GuyGuyGuy
    I mean Chicago jumps on that


    Yeah wait what I didn't even look that far down, why is Vanecek getting dumped with a pick when there's 14m in cap space and the worst goalie tandem in the league? Gotta be a troll.
    Sep. 17, 2023 at 10:30 p.m.
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    Fairest MTL fan ACGM
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    Sep. 17, 2023 at 10:35 p.m.
    #14
    Lets go fishing
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    I think the Jets decline here, the 2nd is worth more to Winnipeg than Dvorak.
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    Sep. 17, 2023 at 10:46 p.m.
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    Montreal really doesnt deserve a team with fans this bad
    Sep. 17, 2023 at 10:47 p.m.
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    Move Habs to Atlanta
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    Sep. 17, 2023 at 10:50 p.m.
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    Edited Sep. 18, 2023 at 9:13 a.m.
    Quoting: GuyGuyGuy
    I mean Chicago jumps on that


    No they don’t, they already have 5 goalies signed in their organization and two coming through NCAA, no need or spot for another one. They definitely are not trading away assets to acquire another mid-level netminder.
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    Sep. 17, 2023 at 10:51 p.m.
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    Quoting: GeneralLandro
    Anaheim easily passes, like the other teams

    Except Ottawa

    Can't really afford it but I'd do it as Kovacevic only makes $766,667 the next 2 seasons
    Sep. 17, 2023 at 10:56 p.m.
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    Quoting: Snowhawk18
    No they don’t, they aircraft have 5 goalies signed in their organization and two coming through NCAA, no need or spot for another one. They definitely are not trading away assets to acquire another mid-level netminder.


    Its Vanacek and a 3rd for future considerations, they aren't trading any assets here.
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    Sep. 17, 2023 at 11:05 p.m.
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    Quoting: MisstheWhalers
    Its Vanacek and a 3rd for future considerations, they aren't trading any assets here.


    They still have no place to play him, so unless they can move Mrazek the deal does nothing but eat up $3.4m in cap space. A 3rd is not enough of an incentive for the Hawks to make the deal.
    Sep. 18, 2023 at 12:07 a.m.
    #21
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    These trades are all over the place. Devils decline, Jets decline and it's too early in the morning for me to continue this posting.
    Sep. 18, 2023 at 7:24 a.m.
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    Quoting: Snowhawk18
    No they don’t, they aircraft have 5 goalies signed in their organization and two coming through NCAA, no need or spot for another one. They definitely are not trading away assets to acquire another mid-level netminder.


    These Chicago fans kill me. They get a starter whose worth at least a secons and a third for future considerations. Ofc they jump on that, logjam or not
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    Sep. 18, 2023 at 9:06 a.m.
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    Jesus, I am a Habs fan and I snicerely think that you are delusional !! None of these trades are realistic. Even in my dream I would wake up in shock not believing what I am reading. I am going to bed, wishing this is only a bad dream.
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    Sep. 18, 2023 at 10:29 a.m.
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    Snowhawk
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    Quoting: GuyGuyGuy
    These Chicago fans kill me. They get a starter whose worth at least a secons and a third for future considerations. Ofc they jump on that, logjam or not


    SOME of these Montreal fans kill me, they know absolutely nothing about a team, the team’s organizational depth or rebuilding plan and yet they spew nonsense.

    The Hawks have their goaltending spots spoken for all through the organization with several young guys staggered in their development path to ensure there are growth opportunities and a succession plan.

    NHL - Mrazek on the last year of his deal at $3.8m and Soderblom who is 24, highly thought of by the organization and had success for two seasons in the AHL. Has had exposure to the NHL the last two season, so it is now time to find out if he is part of the future. He will be in Chicago and has to play to continue to develop.

    AHL - Stauber (24) coming off his first professional season where actually had better results in Chicago than he did in Rockford, looks promising. Commesso (22) - former 2nd round pick and thought by many to be the Hawks goalie of the future. Was the starter for USDTP and Boston College, also chosen to represent the U.S. at the Olympic and World Championships. Entering his first professional season. Both of these guys are young and developing so they need to play. There is no room for a veteran in Rockford since they need to develop these prospect.

    ECHL - Weekes, former Sudbury Wolves goalie will probably be the emergency backup for Rockford.

    Basse - going into his senior season with St. Cloud State and coming off a fantastic season.

    Gajan - 2nd round pick this past draft, coming off a fantastic season where he was one of the unexpected standouts at the world junior tournament. Will start the year in the USHL.

    Sooo, considering the Hawks are a rebuilding team with no misconceptions about being a playoff challenger this year you have to expect the young guys will play to ensure they continue on a good development path. That means if a veteran goalie is acquired; in this case Vanecek; he and his $3.4m will be in the press box or Mrazek and his $3.8m will be in the press box which is piss poor utilization of cap space.

    Now will Davidson go out and acquire another goalie, highly unlikely however, if the team he trades with is willing to add a decent sweetener it is possible. So what is a decent sweetener? Well this is where it comes down to knowing team/GM. If you look at Davidson’s recent trade history you would quickly realize that for taking on $3.4m for two season a 3rd round pick will not get the job done, especially given the fact that goaltender is NOT a position of need.

    - Dickinson (two years @ $2.75m) and a 2nd round pick. Centre was a position of need and they also dump Stillman’s contract in the deal.
    - Zaitsev (one and quarter years @ $4.5m), 2nd round and 4th round picks.
    - Bailey (one year @ $5m bought out) and a 2nd round pick. Deal was made to ensure they would have no problem reaching the cap floor.

    Now if Mrazek gets hurt which is highly likely given his history of injuries and having fragile groins then that may change but until then significant incentives will need to be included for a deal like the proposal mentioned above to happen.

    Also, the deal that has Vanecek going to Montreal is crap for New Jersey and would never happen.
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    Sep. 18, 2023 at 12:44 p.m.
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    Anderson with some retention for a 4th rounder and you got a deal.
     
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