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Forum: Armchair-GMOct. 1, 2023 at 11:01 p.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMSep. 29, 2023 at 10:30 p.m.
Thread: ZZZZZZZ
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GiggywithGibby</b></div><div>No, they <strong>ONLY</strong> won defenseman of the year in the OHL and WHL, they were <strong>ONLY</strong> the top producing defenseman in their entire league on a PPG basis, and top 10-15 amongst all skaters in their leagues.

They didn't break any NCAA records, since you know, they didn't play in the NCAA, but thanks for answering the question of whose prospect rankings have him head and shoulders above our own guys.

<a href="https://thehockeywriters.com/nhl-top-100-prospects-ranking/" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">Top 100 NHL prospects ranked Aug 2023</a></div></div>

Hutson is higher than Zellweger and Korchinsky, Chicago top prospect at D, 7th overall in 2022. It shows a lot about Hutson value.

Hutson would be the main piece in a Zegras trade for sure, but i can't see Hughes trade him because of the Boston connection.

If a trade was to be made for Zegras, it would have been for the 2023 5th overall pick, with the Ducks picking one of Michkov or Leonard. MTL isn't trading Dach or Slafkovsky for Zegras.
Forum: Armchair-GMSep. 25, 2023 at 1:29 p.m.
Thread: Toronto Born and Raised
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GiggywithGibby</b></div><div>No, but you're light. We don't view Jarnkrok as a value add and have absolutely zero reason to downgrade Drysdale into Liljigren. We have plenty of could be middle pairing guys, we need could be top pairing guys like Drysdale.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>OldNYIfan</b></div><div>Why would we exchange our high 2020 first (who shows every sign of panning out if not actually becoming a top-pair RhD) for a low 2024 first plus two guys you're eager to get rid of for cap relief? Never mind the hilariously egregious second.</div></div>

I was wondering if there's any trade possible for Zegras without a top prospect involved. Would two or three 1st round pick be enough? How high would those 1st have to be?
Forum: Armchair-GMSep. 25, 2023 at 1:24 p.m.
Thread: Zegras
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Xspyrit</b></div><div>1) Ottawa will not spend a 1st round pick to move a good 3rd liner who is overpaid by 500K$ at most lol, particularly since he's one of the best PK forwards in the NHL and Ottawa can easily afford him after the current season.

2) This offer for Zegras is certainly a lowball

- Calgary's 1st is hard to predict but an unknown 1st in 2 years as the MAIN piece? Seriously?
- Ottawa's 1st in 2025 will be late
- 2nd round pick
- Tanner Pearson is a cap dump. Makes MORE than Joseph, is really not as good defensively and on the PK, plus Joseph has actually better scoring rates over the last 3 years

It's actually pretty similar to DeBrincat's return who was older than Zegras and had limited market. Zegras is still "cost controlled" for years while ADB was on his last year before UFA

2024 1st round pick (DET) =&gt; 2025 1st round pick (CGY)
Dominik Kubalik &lt; 2025 1st round pick (OTT) + Pearson, Tanner
Donovan Sebrango + 2024 4th round pick (DET) &lt; 2025 2nd round pick (MTL)

The difference is not that big and these packages are both not really good for these players. Try Hutson and Montreal's 1st in 2024 (top-5 protected) as the main pieces

What would you ask for Caufield for example? Or Suzuki?</div></div>

What if it's the only way OTT can clear space to sign Pinto? They'd rather trade him than Joseph?

CGY and OTT 1st could be late if they make playoffs, but could very well be between 10 and 16 too.

Pearson is just a needed cap dump for the trade to work.

Caufield and Suzuki are signed for 8 years. If Anaheim can't extend Zegras, they need to trade him to a team with enough cap space to sign him.

I would do Hutson and MTL 2024 1st top 10 protected for Zegras. I'm not giving Hutson + a 7th overall for Zegras. But Anaheim don't need another D prospect.
Forum: Armchair-GMSep. 21, 2023 at 10:33 p.m.
Thread: Comparing Zegras to other RFA Trades w 4 YRs of Control
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>pretzelcoatl</b></div><div>I take issue with the Drouin comp. Although he was the same age as Zegras is now, their production is very different in the two years leading up to the trade.

Drouin 15-16: 39 pt pace
Drouin 16-17: 60 pt pace

Zegras 21-22: 67 pt pace
Zegras 22-23: 66 pt pace

On top of that, Zegras is an extremely marketable fan favorite. It should take more than Slafkovsky and a 2nd to get it done imo.</div></div>

Drouin was stuck playing 3rd line his first two season in Tampa, while Zegras played 1st line. I think value should be close.

And Slafkovsky value is higher than Sergachev was. Not sure MTL should be adding a pick.

I think if a trade was to be made for Zegras, it would have been for MTL 5th overall pick at the 2023 draft.