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Edmonton Oilers signed Darnell Nurse (2 Years / $5,600,000 AAV)

Was this a good signing?
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Feb 10 at 4:59
#26
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Quoting: Canucks_Fan69
This post took so long to be put up there. Nurse got extended last evening


CapFriendly team waits until there is enough basic contract information to create an official contract thread, in order to avoid misinformation.
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Feb 10 at 5:10
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Quoting: Random2152
When you look at this contract and compare to the Morrissey contract it really starts to look bad.


Quoting: Trickster
Walking him straight to UFA.
Failure.


Quoting: Canucks_Hawkey
This signing screams Nurse wants to test free-agency ASAP. I bet Oilers offered something along the lines of the Morrisey contract 8yrs @ 6.25 AAV more or less. Seems Nurse probably insisted for only 2 years so he took a slight discount.


TWO-YEAR TERM FOR NURSE WILL WALK HIM TO UFA BUT THE GOAL FOR NURSE AND EDM IS TO, IDEALLY, DO A LONG-TERM EXTENSION IN THE SUMMER OF 2021. THE SHORT TERM DEAL GETS EDM OVER SOME SALARY CAP RESTRAINTS NEXT SEASON.

— BOB MCKENZIE (@TSNBOBMCKENZIE) FEBRUARY 10, 2020
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Feb 10 at 6:43
#28
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Edited Feb 10 at 7:22
Quoting: AndrewLadd
This contract does nothing for the Oilers. #1 It walks Nurse right to UFA. #2 They now have like 13 players signed for next year with around 11 mil in cap space to get more signed. #3 This is a high cap hit, especially for 2 years


Quoting: Trickster
Walking him straight to UFA.
Failure.


Quoting: Leafs_and_Sens_Fan
What discount? They should have gotten at least 3 years. This contract lowers his trade value.


This sets a horrible precedent for Ethan Bear's contract negotiation.

Don't get me wrong ... they're obviously at two very different points in their careers.

But buying zero UFA years from Nurse essentially puts Bear in the most comparable position he could possibly be in.

The two players have similar stats in every major category this year (goals, points, P/GP, ATOI, etc) and Bear can argue he has better career averages at a younger age.

Bears extension probably just jumped into one of the following ranges:

$5,000,000 x 2 years (RFA expiry)
$6,000,000 x 4 years (UFA expiry)
$7,000,000 x 6 years (UFA expiry)
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Feb 10 at 9:09
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gah what were you thinking Ken should've done for 5 mil
Feb 10 at 9:10
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Quoting: toque
CapFriendly team waits until there is enough basic contract information to create an official contract thread, in order to avoid misinformation.


i understand because there could be a source like pierre lebrun saying that nurse got 7 mil fsr and then people would go insane
Feb 10 at 9:17
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Quoting: toque
CapFriendly team waits until there is enough basic contract information to create an official contract thread, in order to avoid misinformation.


Thanks
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Feb 10 at 10:44
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Nurse's camp did well in controlling his future! At 5.6 there's a "hometown" discount, but it's not cheap either.
Feb 10 at 11:39
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Quoting: CD282
TWO-YEAR TERM FOR NURSE WILL WALK HIM TO UFA BUT THE GOAL FOR NURSE AND EDM IS TO, IDEALLY, DO A LONG-TERM EXTENSION IN THE SUMMER OF 2021. THE SHORT TERM DEAL GETS EDM OVER SOME SALARY CAP RESTRAINTS NEXT SEASON.

— BOB MCKENZIE (@TSNBOBMCKENZIE) FEBRUARY 10, 2020


Yo, if you click the twitter button in the message box you can link the tweet directly:





Still, I don't think giving up the RFA status was the best idea.
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Feb 11 at 8:00
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Quoting: thelastlongbow
Nurse's camp did well in controlling his future! At 5.6 there's a "hometown" discount, but it's not cheap either.


LOL ... "Hometown Discount"

On a 2 year contract with a $5,600,000 cap-hit that makes him a UFA at 27 years old.

This AAV implies that Nurse would be worth $8,000,000 - $9,000,000 on a long-term deal.

You can't even call it a bridge deal since it's got a UFA expiry.
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Feb 11 at 9:13
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Quoting: drewjenks
LOL ... "Hometown Discount"

On a 2 year contract with a $5,600,000 cap-hit that makes him a UFA at 27 years old.

This AAV implies that Nurse would be worth $8,000,000 - $9,000,000 on a long-term deal.

You can't even call it a bridge deal since it's got a UFA expiry.


Here's the thing though: in 2 years, Jones, Broberg and Samorukov will all be pushing for Nurse's job. And do you really want to sign a 27-year-old to a long-term deal? I don't think he'll have much leverage at that point.
Feb 11 at 1:00
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It appears Nurse wanted a short term deal. And if true, what choice did the Oilers have? Nurse asks for arbitration, and then it's either a one year or two year deal, so the Oilers wouldn't have much of lower cap hit if at all.
Feb 11 at 1:13
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Quoting: CD282
Here's the thing though: in 2 years, Jones, Broberg and Samorukov will all be pushing for Nurse's job. And do you really want to sign a 27-year-old to a long-term deal? I don't think he'll have much leverage at that point.


It would depend on how he's playing I guess ... 27 isn't that old for a defensemen.

Leverage won't be applicable when his contract expires ... it generally requires some type of constraint that the leverage helps you maneuver through.

Nurse will have 100% leverage over Edmonton ... and the freedom to do whatever he wants as a UFA.

The thing I don't like about your scenario is that a 7th overall pick will be walking out the door about 3-years after he became a top-4 defensemen.
Feb 11 at 1:16
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Quoting: drewjenks
It would depend on how he's playing I guess ... 27 isn't that old for a defensemen.

Leverage won't be applicable when his contract expires ... it generally requires some type of constraint that the leverage helps you maneuver through.

Nurse will have 100% leverage over Edmonton ... and the freedom to do whatever he wants as a UFA.

The thing I don't like about your scenario is that a 7th overall pick will be walking out the door about 3-years after he became a top-4 defensemen.


I don't like it either... my point about leverage is that he won't be able to get more than FMV out of Holland. He won't be able to demand more AAV or term than is reasonable because his replacement will be standing right there.
Feb 11 at 2:00
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Well we can only speculate the true intentions of either side. if we take what has been said at face value, so what if its two years? He wants to stay in Edm and by him signing short term at less money than expected, he's given Holland time to use the extra cap on better players. Then when his contract is up along with other on the roster, they'll have more "free cap" to sign him at the term and $ amount he's looking for. They can sign an extension as early July 2021 that a little over a year from now.

I know we've been trained to automatically assume the most nefarious scenario possible but its not always the case. If the talks were amiable and there no reason to believe negative, it could work just fine.

If he wanted this deal to be short as possible in order to cash in in free agency as much as possible, than yeah Holland made a mistake by agreeing to this deal IMO and should start at least discussing/planning his future trade already.
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Feb 11 at 2:47
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Quoting: CD282
TWO-YEAR TERM FOR NURSE WILL WALK HIM TO UFA BUT THE GOAL FOR NURSE AND EDM IS TO, IDEALLY, DO A LONG-TERM EXTENSION IN THE SUMMER OF 2021. THE SHORT TERM DEAL GETS EDM OVER SOME SALARY CAP RESTRAINTS NEXT SEASON.

— BOB MCKENZIE (@TSNBOBMCKENZIE) FEBRUARY 10, 2020


I'm sure that's what Nurse and his advisors are telling Holland but I bet their plans for 2022 are to be ABE -- Anywhere But Edmonton
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Feb 11 at 3:05
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
I'm sure that's what Nurse and his advisors are telling Holland but I bet their plans for 2022 are to be ABE -- Anywhere But Edmonton


No. Nurse, Draisaitl and McDavid are best friends - a fact that played into Holland's decision to "walk him" to free agency. He genuinely wants to be an Oiler, at least while those guys are Oilers. The thing that is working against him is that the Oilers have 3 LHD prospects at various stages of development who could well be fighting for Nurse's job in two years: Jones, Samorukov and Broberg. I don't think Nurse will have the leverage that he thinks he'll have come 2022. He'll have to sign for market value.
Feb 11 at 4:41
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Quoting: Brian2016
Crazy. In 2 years they'll wish like hell they locked him up for 6+ seasons. It's not like their cap problems are just gonna disappear in 2 years. They desperately need their A prospects, particularly on D, to become impact players sooner rather than later. That's the only way they can manage their cap and contend. Almost $5M next year wasted on buyouts and retained salary.


Easy to say to sign him long term But Nurse maybe didn't want a long term deal....Just like Trouba, he wanted free agency as soon as possible. Trouba had all the leverage to get be a UFA in two years. But you're right about Oilers cap. The Oilers and other perennial non player teams shouldn't be near the cap. Though I'm hoping the Oilers do make the playoffs this years.
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Feb 11 at 6:07
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Quoting: palhal
It appears Nurse wanted a short term deal. And if true, what choice did the Oilers have? Nurse asks for arbitration, and then it's either a one year or two year deal, so the Oilers wouldn't have much of lower cap hit if at all.


They could have traded him for someone who wants to be there long term IMO.
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Feb 11 at 6:36
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Quoting: palhal
Easy to say to sign him long term But Nurse maybe didn't want a long term deal....Just like Trouba, he wanted free agency as soon as possible. Trouba had all the leverage to get be a UFA in two years. But you're right about Oilers cap. The Oilers and other perennial non player teams shouldn't be near the cap. Though I'm hoping the Oilers do make the playoffs this years.


Quoting: Trickster
They could have traded him for someone who wants to be there long term IMO.


Many people are saying Nurse wants to be there long term and that he wants to play with McDavid and Draisaitl for the rest of time. I think it's more likely that he was asking for huge money on a long term deal and Holland couldn't afford it in the short term. The just kicked the can down the road.
Feb 11 at 10:37
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Quoting: Trickster
They could have traded him for someone who wants to be there long term IMO.


Teams who are fighting for a playoff spot just can't trade away a valuable member of their team...like their second Dman. Playoff contenders don't trade away upcoming UFAs, cause they are worried about them "walking". It's making your team as good as possible for the current season, Heck playoff teams trade futures for upcoming UFAs for a playoff push.
Feb 14 at 6:52
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One of the worst defensemen in hockey history, gets over $5 million.
 
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