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(COL/MTL) - Newhook for Fairbrother, 2023 1st (FLA), 2023 2nd (MTL)

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Jun. 27, 2023 at 3:06 p.m.
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Something to keep in mind, Hughes knows Newhook, he was his agent
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Jun. 27, 2023 at 3:06 p.m.
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Honestly I kind of like this for Montreal. Newhook did fine for a 22 year old and still has upside. Its a gamble, but I think one with a reasonably good chance (not super high, but reasonably good) of paying off
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Jun. 27, 2023 at 3:15 p.m.
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This has lined up with my other assessment of Hughes' summer
Jun. 27, 2023 at 3:16 p.m.
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Maybe Dorion is telling the truth about a 1st round pick not being very good in this draft....The top is stacked, but I would be curious about how people feel about prospects ranked in the 15th-40th type range.

I don't really see the issue for Montreal with this trade, they basically got a 1st round talent without having to wait out or take a risk on the development. Newhook is 22, and if he is in their middle 6 for the next 5-8 years, that is good value considering the kind of play you'd expect to get in this range of the draft.

I think from an optics POV this return looks like more than it is because of the first round pick tag. In reality, if this was 33+37, less people would see it as an overpayment. despite 33 and 31 being basically the same except one is called a 1st round pick.
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Jun. 27, 2023 at 3:17 p.m.
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Quoting: Bdawwwgy1
I feel like this is a lot for Newhook but I can’t see why Colorado did it. They need cheap forwards


He wasn't ready to step up to 2C, is too small for 3C, and is due a payday. Colorado needs to cap space to pay Byram.
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Jun. 27, 2023 at 3:25 p.m.
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Quoting: jr400
At 22 I suppose Newhook could still get better, but this seems like a lot to give up based on what he’s shown so far. Colorado apparently didn’t think he was good enough to be their 2nd-line center. The fact that he’s unsigned should have lowered his value since Montreal doesn’t know what he’s going to cost them, though at least he’s not arbitration eligible so they have some control.

On the positive side, his age is a good fit for their young core of Suzuki, Caufield, Dach, etc., so maybe he’ll develop with them.


Age fits. Same draft when Caufield was picked 1 spot after Cole. They can’t hoard picks and do need to pounce on these low AAV before guys start getting paid around 2026 which includes Guhle, Slafkovsky, Dach, their 5th overall, etc.

The Newhook profile is almost the same as Danault in 2015 from Chicago. Solid defensively, smart, hard working player that wasn’t given the minutes in a loaded team.

We shall see. It may be an overpay by a slight margin but you need to identify your players and make a push in your plan whether that’s a rebuild, retool or ALL IN, the worst is not having an identity. This pushes the Habs to compete in 2024-25 with a strong squad for 2025-26 in the making.
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Jun. 27, 2023 at 3:25 p.m.
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Quoting: Koskinen_The_Great
“If you want loyalty, buy a dog”

“ you can’t trade for big time centres , you have to draft them!”

Same dude that refused a Subban trade for Draisaitl and a 1st in 2016 according to Kevin Weekes


it was hall and a first, never drai. and it makes sense since they traded hall right away.
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Jun. 27, 2023 at 3:27 p.m.
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Edited Jun. 27, 2023 at 3:43 p.m.
Quoting: Bob_Dole
Does this mean that COL tries to keep Compher as their 3C?


Quoting: kckrebs
True they will need a few more cheap forwards but this gives them some extra trade capital to potentially acquire someone like Konecny or maybe even Debrincat. They'll have close to 15.6m to spend with only 1 hole in the top 6. Maybe they don't land a big fish but I'd actually be surprised if they keep their first rounders this year. They should be all in trying to win during the MacKinnon era.


Avs will have $6-7 million (depending upon Byram's deal) to fill 4 forward positions. A big difference. This is kind of a strange move but maybe selling high on Newhook to leverage for something else.

We can't take on much salary so there will have to be some type of retention deal in a trade which would explain needing additional draft capital that has been spent over the past few years.
Jun. 27, 2023 at 3:29 p.m.
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Montreal just gave up more for Alex Newhook than they got for Jesperi Kotkaniemi... just throwing that out there
Jun. 27, 2023 at 3:32 p.m.
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Quoting: Caniac2000
Montreal just gave up more for Alex Newhook than they got for Jesperi Kotkaniemi... just throwing that out there


Well not exactly, offersheet and trades can’t be compared, also this is essentially a draft day move so the picks positions are known while the Habs had no idea how good the Canes picks would be when accepting the offersheet
Jun. 27, 2023 at 3:34 p.m.
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Quoting: A_Habs_fan
Well not exactly, offersheet and trades can’t be compared, also this is essentially a draft day move so the picks positions are known while the Habs had no idea how good the Canes picks would be when accepting the offersheet


Okay, let's ignore the places of the picks. They got a 1st and 3rd for KK, they gave up a 1st, 2nd and a prospect for Newhook.
Jun. 27, 2023 at 3:35 p.m.
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Quoting: Caniac2000
Montreal just gave up more for Alex Newhook than they got for Jesperi Kotkaniemi... just throwing that out there


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Jun. 27, 2023 at 3:42 p.m.
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Yeah, legit knew Newhook wasn't it for Colorado. Honestly didn't care for this trade, but oh well
Jun. 27, 2023 at 3:44 p.m.
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Quoting: Caniac2000
Okay, let's ignore the places of the picks. They got a 1st and 3rd for KK, they gave up a 1st, 2nd and a prospect for Newhook.


same price they paid for dvorak too! cant wait to see in a few years how newhook and kk compare.
Jun. 27, 2023 at 3:49 p.m.
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Quoting: F50marco
Not the player I would gone after honestly but if MSL can get him to pop off like Dach last year then we'll be laughing all the way to the bank. If he is what he is then yeah this was a bad trade. I feel the difference between him and Dach trades was we knew Dach just needed to get healthy. What was stopping Newhook exactly? He had ample chances to be a go to guy on a team that could make players look better than they were. I dunno, I think they targeted the wrong guy personally.

Also, unless Newhook was gonna be traded imminently otherwise, I would have only made this trade at the draft once we knew a little more how the draft shaped up first. Unless another trade is going down that makes this make more sense (to me). Which is more than likely but for the time being, slightly disappointed that was cost it took to get him and that he was the guy they wanted to go after.


Newhook averaged less than 14 min TOI in Colorado, and behind the big guys (and the fact he is only 22, only played 2 full seasons... I could go on) - it's hard to say by any stretch we have seen what he has to offer. He is most definitely a breakout candidate if given consistent top 6 quality linemates.
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Jun. 27, 2023 at 3:54 p.m.
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Quoting: jtrev
Newhook averaged less than 14 min TOI in Colorado, and behind the big guys (and the fact he is only 22, only played 2 full seasons... I could go on) - it's hard to say by any stretch we have seen what he has to offer. He is most definitely a breakout candidate if given consistent top 6 quality linemates.


Fair enough! Here's hoping you're right because nothing would make me happier if he did.
Jun. 27, 2023 at 4:10 p.m.
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
The team that wins biggest out of this trade is Winnipeg, because now Montreal is out of the PLD sweepstakes and the Jets have the leverage.


The Jets better a good prospect and Vilardi plus
Jun. 27, 2023 at 4:16 p.m.
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Fair deal, imo. Not super high on Newhook, but Habs didn't trade the farm either.

I don't really follow the Avalanche and I had sort of figured the RyJo move was insurance if Newhook wasn't going to pick it up fast enough. So a bit of a surprise for me. Thought they'd give Newhook carte blanche to prove himself as the 2C, and then flip him if he struggled. I know they are contending, but it's a long season, and they could handle a bit of growing pains. I'd have given him more rope as he's cheap and already in the fold. Shows what I know.
Jun. 27, 2023 at 4:17 p.m.
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Quoting: mondo
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100%
Jun. 27, 2023 at 4:21 p.m.
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Not a fan of Newhook starting with, but I beleive in his ex-agent to know more than I do.

Just a low 1st should had been enough. That 37th overall really hurts.

No Ethan Gauthier or goalie prospect I guess!!!
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Jun. 27, 2023 at 4:22 p.m.
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This is the type of trade that would never happen under prior management. Habs would've been all in on PLD. But, Hughes is playing the long game and good for him. Spending major assets on overrated players simply b/c they were born in Quebec is, and always was, short-sighted. Disappointed fans will thank him 5 years from now.
Jun. 27, 2023 at 4:40 p.m.
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Quoting: KSIxSKULLS
Future top 6 forward for 2 picks that will likely never become full time NHL players. Clearly makes sense for Montreal.


If everything goes as Hughes' planned, then yes it makes sense. Newhook just doesn't scream "future top 6 lock" for me right now.
Jun. 27, 2023 at 5:13 p.m.
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Quoting: EsoYeezus69
This isn’t fairbrother.


damn you and your amazing ability to come up with good puns and memes on trade threads
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Jun. 27, 2023 at 5:14 p.m.
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Quoting: Caniac2000
Okay, let's ignore the places of the picks. They got a 1st and 3rd for KK, they gave up a 1st, 2nd and a prospect for Newhook.


Are you asking to trade Kotkaniemi for Newhook?

Just curious why you are so interested in what Newhooks value is
Jun. 27, 2023 at 5:57 p.m.
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Quoting: TheRealisticGuy
In Hughes we trust, Dach vs 13th + 66th seemed steep but it wasn’t after all
Let’s hope Newhook becomes a good middle six forward


You paid a mid 1st for a guy who had less 5v5 points than matt martin
 
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